Speed UTV

You asked to be schooled? How about educated? Schooling is attempting to put someone down. I’d rather try to answer your questions, if you want an honest answer like you asked for. 
 

BUCKLE UP! HERE WE GO! 
 

They hype you don’t understand is we are having a proper designed SXS based on 30+ years of real Off Road, Indy car, NASCAR, Dakar & SST Motorsports experience built into this car. Speed is being built by a racer for the masses. This car is not built on a accounting profit margin formula base. This car is built to Robbys desire to build the best car at a reasonable & competitive price point and still make a profit. 
 

Here is a list of things that make the Speed UTV different from the rest and in many cases are patent protected so they can’t be copied. Some safety designs Robby has said he would offer to some other manufactures for a royalty, because he feels the safety is worth sharing. 
 

The main chassis is properly designed and triangulated. . Same with the upper roll cage. No dead tubes. No tubes uncapped. The whole chassis & cage is built out of DOM tubing. The majority is .095 wall thickness with some lower tubes .120 wall. There is no reason to need an aftermarket cage. Chassis shock mounts are Chromoly plate with the rear Chromoly shock mount a boxed backbone intergraded into the lower & mid chassis rails. It’s been the butt of many jokes, but the fact is everything on this car, right down to the brake master cylinder is in double shear. No other manufactures offers any of this. 

The suspension is built from Chromoly plate & tube. The suspension arms are fully reversible left to right. Front upper & lower are the same right & left. This is the same for the rear trailing arms. This was learned from Dakar and is patented in the UTV industry. There are no ball joints on this car. Only hiems & the inner trailing arm is a bushing.  No other manufactures offers any of this. 

While I understand your concern for the suspension mounted off the front dif. This is very strong and has been proven and tested not only on the Speed UTV, but on Robbys Trophy Truck and they have never had a suspension tab failure. I was told by someone with Speed that the engineered dynamic testing, live stress & load testing showed the tabs were stronger then the frame mounted tabs used on the XX, which were stronger then the tabs used on the RZR. Also each tab has a metal sleeve pressed in it, so at no time is the bolt rotating on the aluminum. But let’s say you were to damage a tab? The front dif is a 3 peace unit that you can buy & replace either side. This is much cheaper then a frame replacement or fabrication of a new chassis section. In many cases, and one I personally know of. When a traditional suspension tab is ripped of the chassis can be damaged enough that a new chassis could be needed. A friend of a friend crashed his new Can Am and when the front suspension was torn off the chassis was damage and the insurance considered totaling it. But the car was so new that they ended up replacing the whole chassis. Also this front dif concept was Robbys idea, but designed by Albins, and Weddle consulted on it as they know all the design flaws on the other UTV manufactures difs and gearboxes. No other UTV manufactures have used this level of engineering on their drivetrain. 
 

The whole steering system is totally different from any other UTV’s and is more what you are used to with your buggy. You mentioned your a buggy guy for life. The Speed steering is a front steer system, with proper steering geometry. No ball joints are used on the inner or outer tie rods. This is the only UTV to use hydraulic power steering. This is the only UTV with a collapsible steering shaft for safety. If the chassis was to fail in a crash the steering shaft will not be pushed into your chest. No other UTV manufacture offers any of this. 

Speed UTV is the only manufacture to sell every UTV no matter the trim with full containment seats. You are also offered 3 sizes to choose from. No one offers seat choices. They are the only brand to make proper 5 point harnesses standard on all cars. I believe, but could be wrong. Speed is the only brand to have a dual locking latches on the seat sliders, doubling the strength in a impact or high G load. No other UTV brand offers these features. 

Speed is the first to offer a 3 speed shiftable CVT transmission. This too was designed by Albins and consulted by Weddle. The clutch was design by TAPP and is arguably the nicest and best clutch to come standard on any UTV. The other Brands customers are buying TAPP clutches as a aftermarket upgrade. Speeds axles are Chromoly and the CV’s are a patented design for plunge. They are Dakar tested & proven. If I remember correctly they also have built in grease fittings for maintenance.  Also the drive shaft does not use any U joints. This has been a big issue for Polaris over the years. Speed uses a single driveshaft with barrel spines on either end. This is something that NASCAR uses in its axle shafts to let solid axles adjust camber. This concept was designed on the Speed one piece driveshaft. No other manufacture has this. 

The engine was designed by Arrington race engines. They designed the Dodge NASCAR engine, and at one time were a Toyota engine supplier for the Nationwide series. Another designer who did the head design work was a former Indy car engine design & builder. This engine is very unique with its power & stroke. There are dozens of small details like seal locks, AN fittings, dual injectors per cylinder, water bleed valves etc..that no one else has. The turbo design comes from Indy & F1, and Speed is the only manufacture to put the very hot turbo on the back side of the engine which removes the heat as far away from the drivers compartment and it’s passengers. This design is patented. All other brands have the turbo tucked directly behind the driver back seat firewall. This is why they have so many heat shields and you hear a about heat issues in the drivers compartment. This engine & ECU has two factory tunes built in from the factory. No other manufactures offer this. The ECU was designed by Emtron. They are a high performance racing ECU, not some generic ECU system.  They also chose to used a full dry sump oiling system that holds, I believe to be 5 or 6 quarts of oil. Largest in the UTV industry. The oiling system also has 2 oil filters for protection. One is a cartridge so when removed you can see if there are any contaminats in the filter. 

Speed is the only manufacture to offer 3 1/4 diameter shocks, that are the same size on all 4 corners. The shocks are a patented design that Robby has been racing on for 20+ years. Shocks are very debatable and people are brand loyal. So I’m not going to try to prove them to anyone. They are internal bypass with 13-14 stages of compression & rebound bypass zones in the shocks. Fox UTV shocks typically have 3 bypass zones. Speed shocks also have a top out bump zone built into the shock. Each shock has full compression & rebound adjustment on them. Also the resivors are 360 degree spin able. 
 

Suspension design. The Speed suspension is unlike any of the other brands. The front suspension has very little track width change, and keeps the tread pattern flat at all times. This design has the least amount of bumpsteer due to steering rack location (like a buggy) and spindle design, and how the wheel center is centered over the king pin. Example would be the new Pro R has over 12 inches of track width change in the front suspension and positive camber change at full droop. 
 

The rear suspension is a traditional trailing arm style you are used to seeing on your buggy. Unlike the other brands 3-4 links, the trailing arm cycles straight and does not change track width like the 3-4 link suspensions do. I think ST said the Pro R had 13 inches of track width change. Speeds trailing arm does not change toe through the cycle. This has been a huge problem for the link suspensions and why Polaris designed the new Toe Link to counter and try to fix this issue. It’s been said the new Polaris tie link has fixed most of the issue, but that the toe link itself has some design issues. The aftermarket is fixing it. 
 

Bolts, something so over looked. But Speed designed their own bolt & nut that puts the bolt shank all the way through the tabs. Also there are only a few size wrenches needed as they were able to design the bolt, with a common bolt head and nut size, no matter the shank size. This reduces the tools needed to work on the car. 
 

Brakes. Speed chose to build their own braking system. But I recently found out they hired and worked with Wilwood to design the whole braking system, master cylinder, & calipers. It was said one of the pre production cars at the show had the prototype Wilwood on it. But that the production cars has the Speed copies on them. Also all 4 wheels hub & bearing are the same. All 4 wheels calipers and rotors are the same. 
 

The digital dash display. While fancy, it does have some very cool features that others manufactures don’t offer. It has multiple screen layouts to choose from. You can screen mirror from your phone putting GPS maps right on your dash screen. The dash has many features that can be plug & play added on. Like tire pressure and alerts. Front & rear cameras. Belt temps. 

The fuel tank is the largest in the industry at just over 14 gal. Speed will also offer a second Aux tank as an accessory that is estimated at 10-12 gallons. It’s not an accessory option yet, but they have said they will build it once the car is released and production is running smoothly. 
 

Speed is the only Performance UTV to offer a truck like storage bed. Some don’t like the looks, but it gives you room for a spare tire & storage boxes all standard. The bed also comes standard with 3 spare tire mounting locations. Only the XX which Robby designed offers a proper spare tire mounting location standard, but the tire takes the whole bed. In both the Speed & XX the spare is mounted as low as possible, where other brands aftermarket tire mounts are up high, some at roof hight. 

Speed is the only manufacture to offer 3-4 custom graphics patterns with almost unlimited color choices that the customer can choose on their Limited and RG edition cars. No other manufactures lets you chose your color and graphic patterns. 

I’m sure there is more I can tell you but it’s way late. I can continue tomorrow if you want more details as to what’s in the Speed UTV and why it’s different from the others. 
And that is a summary of over 100 episodes of development videos over a three-year period or more in addition at the Sam sport show I talk to Daniel the lead engineer and here are a few things that he told me when I asked him a few of my questions

1.75 to 1 hydraulic steering ratio

103 amp alternator belt driven external

There will be three key fobs unless you get the speed key you will get the normal key and a valet key the valet key will only allow a limited amount of horsepower kind of a training key like the Sea-Doo JetSki’s head for reasons you would need that such as letting a youngster or un experienced  person drive the car

stock tire data straight off the side of the tires

on the 35 inch speed tire it says 35x9.5x15 eight ply 1020 pounds no DOT rating

on the 32 inch speed tire it says 32x9.5x15 eight ply load range D radio steel belted 1000 pounds no DOT rating

The front hub center in hole looks to be 5.625 inches in diameter

The lug nut size is 19 mm with a 12 mm thread

 
Nice write up.  One reads this and makes you realize robby's utv will become the highest costing sxs very soon.  Regardless of the economy, these cars will cost way over 45 for just the base.  And at dealerships  they will be way over 50 day two.   Wouldn't be surprised if they cost close to 100 with options at the dealership.  Too much car for 32, waaaaay to much car for 32.  And the 2024 500hp, well that will start at 65'ish, maybe more.  But its only money, and the public can finance it.  
That’s why some of us are very happy with our early bird purchase. some got in as low as 28999.

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I think Nikal just posted the definition of game changer. Hard to argue. Let's hope these rear trailing arm tabs hold up. Tremendous amount of engineering in these cars. Would hate to see something dumb like that cause issues. Joe public will find any weak spot.
What he posted is nice cliff notes of the presentations.  I have said it before the Speed UTV is not a game changer, it has some improvements and nice additions to the sport UTV segment which raise the bar in some aspects. 

RG has brought together a talented team of engineers and designers for sure.  He has enlisted the help of talented companies and people.  

 
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Robby is no where near the other 2. :laugh1:  That kool aid must have some heavy shiz in it DAMN :laughl:

 
If RG isn't in that group, why are you so offended by him? You're acting exactly like the libtards did in the streets when Trump got elected.

Here is actual footage of you-know-who at the SSSpeed Show.  :lmao:



 
And that is a summary of over 100 episodes of development videos over a three-year period or more in addition at the Sam sport show I talk to Daniel the lead engineer and here are a few things that he told me when I asked him a few of my questions

1.75 to 1 hydraulic steering ratio

103 amp alternator belt driven external

There will be three key fobs unless you get the speed key you will get the normal key and a valet key the valet key will only allow a limited amount of horsepower kind of a training key like the Sea-Doo JetSki’s head for reasons you would need that such as letting a youngster or un experienced  person drive the car

stock tire data straight off the side of the tires

on the 35 inch speed tire it says 35x9.5x15 eight ply 1020 pounds no DOT rating

on the 32 inch speed tire it says 32x9.5x15 eight ply load range D radio steel belted 1000 pounds no DOT rating

The front hub center in hole looks to be 5.625 inches in diameter

The lug nut size is 19 mm with a 12 mm thread
Share this info on the Speed Tech thread. 

 
What he posted is nice cliff notes of the presentations.  I have said it before the Speed UTV is not a game changer, it has some improvements and nice additions to the sport UTV segment which raise the bar in some aspects. 

RG has brought together a talented team of engineers and designers for sure.  He has enlisted the help of talented companies and people.  
Take a sand rail, a Speed and a Rzr and remove all of the body panels, showing off the chassis and suspension. Then take a moderately observant Joe Citizen off the street and ask him to study all 3 vehicles for 30 minutes. Then ask him which 2 vehicles look most alike, he will say the Speed and the sand rail look most alike.

If you take somebody who really knows his stuff - like any TT builder, and ask them which chassis and suspension they feel is strongest, there's a good chance they'll select the Speed for a large number of reasons that elude even long time duners. For example some sand rails come with heim joints, some come with uniballs, but the Speed spindle uniballs are oriented with the bolt mounted fore and aft and they don't use any heim joints for major suspension pivots. Most sand rails don't have boxed arms, etc. 

 
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A few things I missed; I guess my Speed Energy Cool Aid buzz wore off! 😂 

The CVT cover is metal vs plastic like the others. But what’s really different is the design & function of that cover. The TAPP CVT has a spindle shaft & bearing on the end of it, and this recessed into the CVT cover. What this does is act as a tie bar keeping the clutches in proper alinement at all times. It reduces the massive load & weight hanging off the end of the crank shaft. It reduces belt wear and heat. And creates another double shear point and acts as another matting point for the engine & trans. This is like nothing done before and again is patented, so can’t be duplicated. 
 

Another design feature that Speed chose and some others like Yamaha has chosen, and Arctic Car had done previously, but no longer does. Speed located the radiators in the the back. There are some pluses & cons. As a buggy guy this would seem normal and is really the only option. But UTV’s have consistently put the radiator up front. The issues with it up front as we all know is the increased heat into the cab. The negative pressure under the dash area pulls this heat in. Adding full doors magnifies the issue. Adding a windshield makes it so much worse. With the radiator in the back you remove that cab heat and remove the coolant lines through the floorboards. But having the radiators in the back can also be a concern if you want to run a windshield, just like we have seen in the buggy’s. Robby has tested and feels anything under 90 degrees outside temp and you should be fine with a windshield. Over 90 and it’s been suggested you remove the windshield for air flow. Also the Speed radiator uses 3 fans.
 

In Asia they ran the car at a 2.5 mile oval test track in 118 degree heat. They ran at 15-30 min intervals at 80-90 mph non stop in 3rd gear. It was said the water temps were high, but the rear radiator & fans kept the engine from going into a limp mode or failing. Robby admitted he had his doubts they would not blow a engine or at least a belt as they had never attempted to run these extremes before. they also did these tests with 2 & 4 people including the car to see how the airflow might be disturbed. They also range the high banked oval track right & left to make sure the engine would not starve for oil. 
 

Several brands are now starting to add alternators to their cars. I think the XX was the first, and again a RG design. Speed also has a high output Alternator that runs off a single serpentine belt along with the PS pump. 
 

Another feature Speed offers and is standard on the Limited & RG trims is a positive air flow roof that reduces negative cabin pressure and helps bring more air flow in to the radiators. 
 

Speeds Engine & Trans mounting design is unique and only the XX has something similar. But that’s because Robby designed that too. But the engine hangs from the chassis vs being mounted at the bottom of the chassis. This not only adds protection to the engine trans if you were to case or the chassis was to take a hard hit. But it also allows Speed to make the rear lower part of the chassis, to be removable. Then I believe it was said, 6 bolts, two coolant lines, PS lines and unplug the engine wiring harness and the engine & trans can be pulled straight out the back in one piece like a VW engine. 
 

All Speed models & Trims come standard with the same size 32 inch tire on a 15 inch wheel. Most brands that’s only for the top model or trims. I’m not even sure if the other brands offer a 32 inch tire as standard. I ask forgot yo mention the Speed UTV is the only 77 inch wide car offered in the industry, and was designed to fit a 35 inch tire, including in the bed for your spare, and still fit the Speed crescent storage box. 
 

Back to shocks for a quick second. Speed claims you will not have to revalue the stock shock as the 13-14 bypass zones, the fully adjustable compression & rebound should be tunable without having to open & revalve like the other brands do. Speed claims to have tuned this suspension for what we do, and even with this proper valving tune, at the proper ride hight, the car passed the Federal J turn test with no problems and actually exceed the requirements. It’s been said Speed will offer a guide of where to adjust your compression & rebound for the type of riding you are doing. 
 

Spare parts? Many are concerned about will there be spare parts if I needs them? Speeds agreement with the suppliers is a 20% parts storage. So for every 100 cars built their needs to be 20 cars worth of parts available for warranty or just customer needs. This % will change as more cars are built and it’s identified what needs more inventory and what needs less. 
 
I'd also like to add that the same UTVs that mount the radiator up front also use it as a front bumper when the wannabe RG driver jumps it. Of course the front suspension inevitably bottoms out or Rapid Unintended Disassembly occurs and now the poorly designed UTV has no cooling system, in addition to no front suspension. Either way it has to be towed back, but the added expense of a radiator and assorted plastics just adds more expense to the rebuild.

 
Back to shocks for a quick second. Speed claims you will not have to revalue the stock shock as the 13-14 bypass zones, the fully adjustable compression & rebound should be tunable without having to open & revalve like the other brands do. Speed claims to have tuned this suspension for what we do, and even with this proper valving tune, at the proper ride hight, the car passed the Federal J turn test with no problems and actually exceed the requirements. It’s been said Speed will offer a guide of where to adjust your compression & rebound for the type of riding you are doing. 
 
Lets touch on this for a second. I want to know what you think. So I bought my sand car used and took alot of the suspension components apart to repowder coat them and what not. When I was putting the car back together I noticed my limit straps were about 3-4" shorter than what my arms could actually use for travel. So I called Dario who built the car and he says " Ya dude take those things off and put on longer ones. I would put those short straps on any car that I knew the owner didn't have a ton of experience" He basically put shorter straps to dumb down the car so that an inexperienced driver wouldn't get in over there head being in a twin turbo car that has 26" of travel in the front and back. RG is obviously not dumbing down his car with the suspension. But if you look at the rzr's and can am's you have to admit that they definitely know what they are doing and are purposely dumbing down their suspension and I would assume its for Legality reasons. They could easily change the valving in every production car if they wanted. I'm sure he has his ass covered but when Joe Blow gets into a Speed with a Speed key and does 90mph into a whoop section you know it won't end well

 
As far as I know the Polaris and Canam come from factory with sub par suspension tuning because they have to pass the J turn. These specific cars need to be setup stiffer to pass.

Robby passed it supposedly with an optimal tune. 

My canam was absolute garbage out of the box.

As far as the limit straps go. Every sand car, buggy or whatever will usually limit for CV angle before actual travel. Or else you are trashing CVs.

In a trucks and buggies i would limit about a half inch before the shock bottoms out to account for strap stretch even though we would run 3 straps per corner. 

It is speculated the Pro R has the built in camber in the rear to account for excessive CV angle so they can claim their big travel numbers.

Back in the day we called this dirty hooked travel. Was a term usually reserved for I beam trucks. 
Got it. I didn't know about the J arm turn. That makes more sense. I'm sure they don't mind their suspension being less than the best so they don't get sued for some rookie killing himself.

My car was limited 4" in the front and 3" in the back. And even just adding 3" my cv angles are more than safe. I could honestly probably go down another inch and still be fine but 26" is more than enough for me

 
As far as I know the Polaris and Canam come from factory with sub par suspension tuning because they have to pass the J turn. These specific cars need to be setup stiffer to pass.

Robby passed it supposedly with an optimal tune. 

My canam was absolute garbage out of the box.

As far as the limit straps go. Every sand car, buggy or whatever will usually limit for CV angle before actual travel. Or else you are trashing CVs.

In a trucks and buggies i would limit about a half inch before the shock bottoms out to account for strap stretch even though we would run 3 straps per corner. 

It is speculated the Pro R has the built in camber in the rear to account for excessive CV angle so they can claim their big travel numbers.

Back in the day we called this dirty hooked travel. Was a term usually reserved for I beam trucks. 
Can Am has improved the valving on the cars since 2017.  There is a noticable difference between the ride quality of a 2019 to a 2022.  Even the guy I used for my shocks commented Can Am made changes. 

Robby has the luxury of setting up his shocks for a specific riding area (desert and dunes).  He can fine tune it for those areas which is a bonus for the owners.  Polaris, Can Am and the rest have to give more generic setups because the cars are used all over the place.   

 
I'd also like to add that the same UTVs that mount the radiator up front also use it as a front bumper when the wannabe RG driver jumps it. Of course the front suspension inevitably bottoms out or Rapid Unintended Disassembly occurs and now the poorly designed UTV has no cooling system, in addition to no front suspension. Either way it has to be towed back, but the added expense of a radiator and assorted plastics just adds more expense to the rebuild.
Here you go with silly lies again. 

 
Here you go with silly lies again. 
I have to admit he is right with this one. My dad stuffed his can am when we first got it. It was a weird bowl transfer and he misread it. Stuffed the front and we didn't notice anything so we all got back in our cars to leave and my dad says wait i'm overheating. we hadn't even moved yet. So i go look at the front radiator and the stock bumper had bent back pinching the radiator fan against the piece behind it so it wasn't spinning. A few yanks on the bumper and we got the fan to spin again and made it back to camp. After that the first thing we did with any can am we bought was put a front bumper and bulk head kit on it.

 
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