We are fkin doomed

MWB said:
They don't want us old boomers telling them to keep it down pick up your trash respect your elders and neighbors. That is what they have to do in everyday life and this is their release from that and if we don't like it  WE need to move on.  
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This is correct! I have done just that, moved on. I will not go to Glamis after September or before April. I'm good with it as I don't have to deal with the crap show. Many other places to go and enjoy without the hassle. 

 
Rockwood said:
Maybe that's why they do it: Grandma doesn't like the noise/dust of the desert, and is therefore not there to huck chanklas at rulebreakers? :biggrin:
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My Grandma Helen only woke up from the Tequila fest the night before to make sure we all had piping hot menudo when we woke up.

That or to make me chase the naked guy on his ATC250R over to the worm tracks on Gecko with her on the backseat of our ATC200S.  :wife:  Drive Faster!

Chanklas, Belts and her backhand followed her into Glamis, along with Grandpa, Uncles, my Dad and everyone else who beat yore ass if you were a little shit.

It's not a cultural thing, its an "I'm an Asshole" thing and they come in all colors, etc.

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I'd say lets post signs, etc in Spanish, but there are 2nd and 3rd generation that speak English and are simply being slobs.

Heavy Fines, Impound Toys, Escort off site.

Every OHV place to ride in CA is going thru this boom right now, you'll hear the same complaints....

Thanks Polaris Camp RZR for shining the light to lead the way.

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Rangers could do two things and a lot of this would go away:

- Go back to pinch points, sand highway and the entrance to Olds.

- Have a group of Rangers in the morning going into camps and just making contact.  If you see lots of trash, write them a ticket.     They will learn fast who are the issues and who isn't.

Trust me, the bad element doesn't want Rangers anywhere near them

 
MWB said:
What I have seen on Social Media  at least is that these people think it is part of the Mad Max/ Road Warrior mantra.  They think they work hard and when they go to the desert they are owed the anything goes way of things.  They don't want us old boomers telling them to keep it down pick up your trash respect your elders and neighbors. That is what they have to do in everyday life and this is their release from that and if we don't like it  WE need to move on.  
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Well, luckily T-levels have been dropping with every generation.  Good luck fighting the bone density of someone who grew up with friends  throwing rocks at each other for fun with the bone density of a lifetime of crouching over a smart phone... :biggrin:

 
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MWB said:
Now I see them roll into the wash instead of waving hi or offering them a water if they do roll  into camp. I go into my trailer until they leave. 
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This is my tendency as well, but in my mind that means that the A-Holes have won & have succeed in pitting me against folks that are doing their jobs.  Ive known LEO off & on over my life & its a hard job, and an even harder job to do well.  normally it takes experience & guidance to get to that point, & that is harder to come by these days (like common sense).

 
Bobalos said:
This is my tendency as well, but in my mind that means that the A-Holes have won & have succeed in pitting me against folks that are doing their jobs.  Ive known LEO off & on over my life & its a hard job, and an even harder job to do well.  normally it takes experience & guidance to get to that point, & that is harder to come by these days (like common sense).
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And a strong sense of humor. :biggrin:

 
Bobalos said:
This is my tendency as well, but in my mind that means that the A-Holes have won & have succeed in pitting me against folks that are doing their jobs.  Ive known LEO off & on over my life & its a hard job, and an even harder job to do well.  normally it takes experience & guidance to get to that point, & that is harder to come by these days (like common sense).
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Correct me if I'm wrong but we don't have the typical Leo's out here.. aren't they park rangers from Wyoming and chit? 

 
Chingon619 said:
Facebook hinted at a similar event. Check it out. I wonder how many of these folks were there to hear the "Banda Music" oh, that's right! It wasn't one of those events. 

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i was asking a real question wanting to try and an actually conversation, yet you bring up something that has nothing to do with off roaders or glamis. just to try and show some point. 

 
I herd this weekend that rum or has it Polaris was approved of permits for improving the beach store bringing back water and surrounding are with more stores, camp ground and possibly a dealership.but what ever thay wind up doing I think its gonna ruin the old school vibe and commercializ the place and bring in constant newbies  that will  just trash it even more.

 
Brian Machnach said:
I herd this weekend that rum or has it Polaris was approved of permits for improving the beach store bringing back water and surrounding are with more stores, camp ground and possibly a dealership.but what ever thay wind up doing I think its gonna ruin the old school vibe and commercializ the place and bring in constant newbies  that will  just trash it even more.
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We've been moving deeper and deeper into the washes because of this exact thing. Peace

 
Brian Machnach said:
I herd this weekend that rum or has it Polaris was approved of permits for improving the beach store bringing back water and surrounding are with more stores, camp ground and possibly a dealership.but what ever thay wind up doing I think its gonna ruin the old school vibe and commercializ the place and bring in constant newbies  that will  just trash it even more.
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jareddustin said:
i was asking a real question wanting to try and an actually conversation, yet you bring up something that has nothing to do with off roaders or glamis. just to try and show some point. 
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So, did you miss my point? People suck! Everywhere. As for your "real" question that I missed, how else do we address it? I've not once said I was against enforcement. Matter of fact I welcome it. What solution did you mention? Because unfortunately, you can't just throw those people out. 

 
I was reading in another Facebook group that Dumont was practically empty and that everybody must have come to glamis. My question is, do the Dumont people leave trash everywhere? I can't imagine they do. There were two new types of groups out there,. camp Razor people and Dumont.

And if Polaris is bringing in all these people they need to sack up and have a full-time cleaning crew. You can't come in and make millions and trash the place with all your guests.

 
LegitDuner said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but we don't have the typical Leo's out here.. aren't they park rangers from Wyoming and chit? 
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I believe that most of them are "park rangers", all of the ones Ive seen or had interactions with were rangers.  Where from Im not sure. 

the only times Ive seen someone put in a car it was a sheriffs vehicle, and that was once in ~10 years & I dont know the story.  might have been Americas most wanted for all I know. 

 
Bobalos said:
I believe that most of them are "park rangers", all of the ones Ive seen or had interactions with were rangers.  Where from Im not sure. 

the only times Ive seen someone put in a car it was a sheriffs vehicle, and that was once in ~10 years & I dont know the story.  might have been Americas most wanted for all I know. 
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Yeah, there was one sheriff out there, he was a short Latino guy. Everybody was complaining about him. He pulled me and my wife over saw empty beer cans in the back seat of the buggy and told me I was a Effing liar when I told him they were old. Told him to test me but he wouldn't. Kept us there over an hour and then just took off

 
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Chingon619 said:
So, did you miss my point? People suck! Everywhere. As for your "real" question that I missed, how else do we address it? I've not once said I was against enforcement. Matter of fact I welcome it. What solution did you mention? Because unfortunately, you can't just throw those people out. 
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i do get that people suck, my how do we address it more was a question of the people that are doing it, you are not like them but get lumped in with the stereotype. the stereotype would not be a stereotype if it was not a common occurrence. you dont want us to blame a group, as you are part of that group but not a part of the problem group. that part is what got you mad, and i understand that,  its a behavior issue not a race issue but those behaviors are coming more from a group. there are lots of videos all over social media from the weekend, fights and trash. we see these things in the washes the hill and the drags, but we dont see those issues at places like swingset, china wall, hotshot. im not trying to make anyone mad or personally attack but i just dont see another way to address the common theme with the issues. 

im all for more enforcement, all my stuff is legal and i dune sober. of course i dont want to get stopped by the rangers. but if me getting stopped here and there means that the ones that are the issue are also getting stopped then im ok with that. 

 
jareddustin said:
i do get that people suck, my how do we address it more was a question of the people that are doing it, you are not like them but get lumped in with the stereotype. the stereotype would not be a stereotype if it was not a common occurrence. you dont want us to blame a group, as you are part of that group but not a part of the problem group. that part is what got you mad, and i understand that,  its a behavior issue not a race issue but those behaviors are coming more from a group. there are lots of videos all over social media from the weekend, fights and trash. we see these things in the washes the hill and the drags, but we dont see those issues at places like swingset, china wall, hotshot. im not trying to make anyone mad or personally attack but i just dont see another way to address the common theme with the issues. 

im all for more enforcement, all my stuff is legal and i dune sober. of course i dont want to get stopped by the rangers. but if me getting stopped here and there means that the ones that are the issue are also getting stopped then im ok with that. 
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  Definitely! I'm good with that enforcement too. I still remember it in the early 00's and the correction shortly after.

  I didn't get mad per se, but I wanted to make clear that just because they are listening to a certain type of music and flying a certain type of flag, automatically means they are trashing the place. I'm not defending the scumbags. Matter of fact, they're not welcome in my camp. Boy have times changed though. I'm starting to believe it's a SxS thing, too now after reading some other's perspectives. Polaris to blame some too, maybe. New generation, maybe. Sucks all around.

 
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