Tesla

r3meyer said:
I bought mine when gas was super cheap back in 2020.  Fiat 500e.  Cheapest EV being sold.  Almost throwing them away.  $5k off lease with 20k miles on it and they had like 30 to choose from.  They were shipping them from Cali to AZ.  Now they are selling for 13-15k.  Only has a range of 70-110 miles per charge depending on the weather out.  I was ready to buy a Tesla but decided to just use this as my test bed.  Its a blast to drive.  Its like driving one of those electric go-karts every day.

Still have my go fast toys, but this thing is just so easy to own.  They are not a solution for everything yet but the tech is on its way.  A Hybrid HD truck would be amazing.  No brake pad use - Recaptured energy.  Plentiful TQ thats instant.  Do away with transmissions.  No more seals, gaskets, fluids, etc.  I think this is where it at with current battery tech.  There are many prius out there with millions of miles.

I drive my Dmax At4 only when I have to.  Not racking up miles but have it available when I need it.
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Yes, turbo diesel hybrid is the most efficient method we currently have, that's why the locomotives use it. The VW XL1 is advertised to get 200 mpg at 75 mph, but actually delivers 260 mpg on the road. If they made a TD electric drive with a small TD engine and 4 electric motors, one per wheel that kicked in and out as needed, we could have 1200 ft lb of torque when needed and only using two electric motors at Cruise using only the power necessary to overcome resistance, we could get some very impressive range out of it plenty of towing capacity when desired.

 
MWB said:
What would you have to do in 5 years when you would have 4 parked at your house, and your a small family? 

I got to witness my GF play early morning car shuffle when she lived with her 3 grown kids.  That was enough for me to want to jump off a bridge. Had I had to do that to leave and to get connected to the charger I would be on a clock tower real quick.
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Unless everyone is driving 1-200 miles daily (assuming current cheaper models), it's still a logistical nightmare, but not impossible.

The current mandate, as annoying and stupid as it is, doesn't mean only EVs.  Just means significant electrification, AKA plug in hybrids.  This is still entirely doable on even HD trucks, especially by 2035.  Hell, you don't even have to ever plug in one of these vehicles if you don't want to.

 
Rockwood said:
I hate you sir. 
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But..the weather...but...the beach..

LOL!

I'm on the balance plan where the bill is essentially the same month to month all year.  Prior to last month it was $124. Took a huge hit last month though.  $148 now.

 
r3meyer said:
I bought mine when gas was super cheap back in 2020.  Fiat 500e.  Cheapest EV being sold.  Almost throwing them away.  $5k off lease with 20k miles on it and they had like 30 to choose from.  They were shipping them from Cali to AZ.  Now they are selling for 13-15k.  Only has a range of 70-110 miles per charge depending on the weather out.  I was ready to buy a Tesla but decided to just use this as my test bed.  Its a blast to drive.  Its like driving one of those electric go-karts every day.

Still have my go fast toys, but this thing is just so easy to own.  They are not a solution for everything yet but the tech is on its way.  A Hybrid HD truck would be amazing.  No brake pad use - Recaptured energy.  Plentiful TQ thats instant.  Do away with transmissions.  No more seals, gaskets, fluids, etc.  I think this is where it at with current battery tech.  There are many prius out there with millions of miles.

I drive my Dmax At4 only when I have to.  Not racking up miles but have it available when I need it.
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Had 2 friends get them almost nothing down and like 50 bucks a month both loved them for local driving to and from work.actually saved both money to pay for the cars in diesel savings.

 
r3meyer said:
I bought mine when gas was super cheap back in 2020.  Fiat 500e.  Cheapest EV being sold.  Almost throwing them away.  $5k off lease with 20k miles on it and they had like 30 to choose from.  They were shipping them from Cali to AZ.  Now they are selling for 13-15k.  Only has a range of 70-110 miles per charge depending on the weather out.  I was ready to buy a Tesla but decided to just use this as my test bed.  Its a blast to drive.  Its like driving one of those electric go-karts every day.

Still have my go fast toys, but this thing is just so easy to own.  They are not a solution for everything yet but the tech is on its way.  A Hybrid HD truck would be amazing.  No brake pad use - Recaptured energy.  Plentiful TQ thats instant.  Do away with transmissions.  No more seals, gaskets, fluids, etc.  I think this is where it at with current battery tech.  There are many prius out there with millions of miles.

I drive my Dmax At4 only when I have to.  Not racking up miles but have it available when I need it.
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I am on my third Fiat 500e.  I have a 20 mile each way commute, this is the perfect solution for me.  Only way to make it work comfortably, though, is to have a 240v fast charger at home.  Especially when the weather turns cold.

Leased the first two dirt cheap, turned them in at lease end because the residuals were outrageous.  Bought the third one used for $5k with 60k miles, up to 83k now without any major issues.  Range seems to have degraded a bit though.  Very fun little car to zip around it.  Amazing how the cost of the used ones has exploded.

 
I have an electric golf cart that has a range of 25 miles fully loaded.  Highly recommend............ :golf1:

 
According to the fire company it took 12,000 gallons of water to fully extinguish the lithium battery-powered Tesla. Crews can normally extinguish a fully involved regular vehicle fire with approximately 500 gallons or less.

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Rockwood said:
Yeah, nothing is cheaper, "fuel" $/mile, than electric right now.  There are many, many problems with electric cars, but cost/mile isn't one of them.
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Well, must eat crow here since I didn't expect SDGE to raise rates like they did...  Comparing two Nissan shitboxes (one could exchange for other vehicles from same make with the same basic platform), the cost is about even-Steven from a $/mile standpoint. 

Cost comparison using current SDGE rates:

Nissan Leaf, 3.7 miles/kwH (using EPA figures of range/battery size): $0.1216 per mile to "fuel", this does not consider input loss.

Nissan Versa, 35mpg combined rating: $0.1286 per mile to "fuel".  

This is effectively equal at current prices.  

But...  Given that SDGE is scheduled to increase electricity rates significantly (thanks CA PUC for watching out for us...), the prices look different:

2024: $0.1430 per mile to "fuel"
2025: $0.1580 per mile to "fuel"
2026: $0.1726 per mile to "fuel"
2027: $0.1858 per mile to "fuel"

SDGE rate hike information:

https://www.kpbs.org/news/economy/2023/03/07/san-diego-utility-customers-furious-about-sdge-rate-hike-request

From 2020, SDGE has raised rates by 56%.  By 2027, that will increase to 137% over 2020 rates.

 
My friend and I were just talking about this same topic, he has recently started flipping cheap commuter cars as people are not keeping up with payments and selling nice stuff and needing more affordable options. We were comparing life costs of Teslas and used commuters (Purchase, consumables, and factored in resale). Used commuters won the debate hand over fist. 

I recently bought the wife a 2015 TDI Golfwagen. within a few months it became mine as I switched jobs and need to commute now, lol she totes the kids around in the duramax now. 54mpg and diesel is $3.49 currently... and its a blast to drive. 

 
HP.Habits said:
My friend and I were just talking about this same topic, he has recently started flipping cheap commuter cars as people are not keeping up with payments and selling nice stuff and needing more affordable options. We were comparing life costs of Teslas and used commuters (Purchase, consumables, and factored in resale). Used commuters won the debate hand over fist. 

I recently bought the wife a 2015 TDI Golfwagen. within a few months it became mine as I switched jobs and need to commute now, lol she totes the kids around in the duramax now. 54mpg and diesel is $3.49 currently... and its a blast to drive. 
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Yep.  Hell, my 5.0 Mustang is on par with a Nissan Leaf's $/mile cost in 2027.  I assume that fuel prices won't increase to $8/gallon...  Even if they do, it's a V8 Mustang vs. a Nissan Leaf... :biggrin:

This also doesn't factor in the nearly-guaranteed bump into tier 2 billing, $0.65/kwH, $0.1757/mile.  It also assumes you're not gonna turn on the heater or AC... :biggrin:

 
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