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The problem comes when you don't see the witch's eye, or boulder or the other Rzr. Based on all of the pics all over the net, it happens more often than not.
My Wildcat has always driven into the toy hauler on it's own power at the end of the trip. That's a lot more than MANY other people can say about brand P or C.
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Yeah, you and the other 2 guys out there with Wildcats always make it back. 
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Do you have links to these patents? I would like to read the abstracts....
Not sure what you can patent that has not been done on say a Trophy truck or sand car?
Trailing arms have been around since before you or I were born
Until its a methodolgy patent - I don't see what he did
I think its fair to say he is deploying more robust and proven designs albeit arguably more expensive and difficult to mass produce than the other UTV designs which were cost-engineered and production compromises to be easier. cheaper and faster to build in mass quanity
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Maybe you couldn't see the rock or witch's eye or boulder because of all the oil smoke coming out of the exhaust of your Wildcat...? :biggrin:
A quick search of Google Patents
(https://patents.google.com/?inventor=robby+gordon&country=US&language=ENGLISH)
reveals that Robby has filed around 24 patent applications related to UTV's, and 4 of them have been granted so far. Some of them are co-authored with Arctic Cat, but most belong solely to Robby.
It seems there would be existing prior art (examples that some of the ideas already exist) if the patents were challenged.
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Again, you are confused. I'm not the one hitting crap and breaking the suspension off, it's all of the P and C stuff. :biggrin:
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Nikal answered your question about Robby's patents.
As to prior art, apples have been around long before Apple copyrighted the name, escorts have been around long before Ford copyrighted Escort and windows have been around for centuries, yet Microsoft was able to copyright Windows, so...
same thing with mid-board hubs. According to Tatum, he owns the patent on mid-board hubs, even though there were probably a dozen other brands out prior to them even making one. However, he was the first to apply for the patent, so he got it.
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I guess I should of said the size of the XX is the same as the Bandit. I was under the impression they were using the XX for some testing of Speed parts.
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If you never drive there is no worries of hitting stuff. Those same people stuffing their Can Am or Polaris will do the same with a Speed UTV or any vehicle they drive in the dunes.
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Tatum trade marked the name "mid board" nothing else. I still believe the best Tatum cars were the ones that use to come with Gear One brakes, but I may be biased.
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Ah, thanks for that correction. I remember a lot of people getting a good laugh out of that, since their version was copied from someone else, which was copied from a copy of a copy, etc. This just forces people to use a different name for their product.
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Yes, can't believe they trade marked the name, but we were denied a patent for our "super greasers" . I guess we just didn't have a good patent attorney.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUEWWd2lmDx/
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The laws changed a few years ago requiring Prior arts - its now first to file ..
Patents are funny - Most people don't patent all the stuff Robby did (after I looked them up today) because they are not want we would call "inclusive". they are either methodology or narrow band. He has things like "Off road car air conditioning" do you think that will hold up as a patent? If so I have Bridge In Brooklyn I can sell you.
Or how about "Window Net door attachment" or "Rear strut gusset attachment" you think those gonna hold up? I would say with a cursory look 90% of them would not hold up against a basic challenge.
It seems he has the "pissing contest" mentality on Patents or maybe he is trying to use them to raise money or just brag to people that don't understand how Patents works ....
These we call in Silicon Valley "resume builder" patent applications
Good luck with enforcement - If you think these are worth anything - he would be suing Polaris and CanAM - they have not patented anything substantial because it falls under common sense ... they cannot enforce them.
A lot of his patents are applications - that means they are "claims" - they are Not granted they may rt may not get granted- assuming any of the competitors are watching and care - they will file to stop the grant, but you can always challenge the patent - you don't need prior art - you just need to show it was in use prior by more than oner company - I have filed dozens and only some were granted and many were a fight to get done - a decent Patent attorney will cost you $100K a patent if you want it to stand up - RG if he used a good attorney spent millions - you can DIY it for about $1000, but it will get reversed for sure.
I have one that IBM fought and lost and belive me they have a Lot of $$ to throw at fighting a patent claim, you have to have a solid claim.
Check out the abstract for the AC - its almost laughable:
these type of patents get through the system because "off road vehicle" is an open category. The first challenge they get reversed. Government makes its filing fee, and attorney makes their fee, and RG gets to brag for a while ...
Abstract: An apparatus and methods are provided for an air conditioning system for an off-road vehicle that includes an enclosed cabin. The air conditioning system includes a compressor that may be driven by an engine of the vehicle or a dedicated motor. A condenser comprising the air conditioning system may be positioned behind a grill at a front of the off-road vehicle or at a location where outside air enters an engine compartment of the off-road vehicle. An evaporator and a blower direct a cooled airstream into the enclosed cabin. One or more adjustable vents are disposed within the enclosed cabin and positioned to advantageously direct the cooled airstream to occupants within the enclosed cabin. Climate control switches are disposed in a dashboard of the off-road vehicle and configured to enable the occupants to operate the air conditioning system.
I doubted they would be up there yet since they are so new - by the patent clerk is doing a good job working at home
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I tend to look at what is really happening to determine whether it's effective or not. When I see a lot of broken suspensions, for example, that tells me the current design is not holding up to the current drivers and power levels of those vehicles.
So when I see the first Rzr with the front shocks attached to the lower arms, but they chose to use a clevis type attachment to the lower arm, perhaps Polaris is taking Robby's front shock mount patent claim seriously. I see no mechanical advantage to mounting the shocks with a clevis, so it appears to be a method to attach it to the lower arm without violating Robby's patent. All of the other UTVs are using the upper arm for the shock mount.
