Can Am 2022 model line up.

NIKAL said:
Looking over the 22 X3 line up and being objective. I think the best vehicle or bang fur the buck is the RS Turbo RR. It’s 200 hp, 72 inch, 20 inch travel and has the 30 inch tire. It also comes with all the clutch & chassis improvements the other higher models get. And it is $24K. The next step up in the 72 inch line starts at $28K. So the RS/RR seems like a great deal. 
 
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I agree the RS RR is a good value for a 200hp 72" wide car.  The 64" model at $22K is also a good value.    It is nice all the models get the smart lock.

 
@Sand Shark I'm curious about something with the X3's and the front Bulkhead aftermarket piece.

So, the shocks are single shear from the factory, but then you put this aftermarket bulkhead piece on that makes the shock mounts double shear.....but isn't the bulkhead put on single shear??? The bolts go through the outside then connect to the frame, right? That would be single shear for that part, right?

Now I see where the shocks connect are now double shear, but that whole element is put on pretty much how the shocks are originally. so...where is the strength in that?

Please correct me if I am wrong or dumb or both...just curious.

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dbart said:
@Sand Shark I'm curious about something with the X3's and the front Bulkhead aftermarket piece.

So, the shocks are single shear from the factory, but then you put this aftermarket bulkhead piece on that makes the shock mounts double shear.....but isn't the bulkhead put on single shear??? The bolts go through the outside then connect to the frame, right? That would be single shear for that part, right?

Now I see where the shocks connect are now double shear, but that whole element is put on pretty much how the shocks are originally. so...where is the strength in that?

Please correct me if I am wrong or dumb or both...just curious.

:cheers:

:dbart:
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A shock tower brace makes the upper front shock mounts double shear.   As to the lower mounts I guess it is considered double shear when you add the gusset kits like what TMW, CT Raceworx and a few others sell.  What throws people off is the parts are bolted to the frame versus being welded onto the frame. 

The TMW gusset kit bolts onto the front bulk head with separate bolts apart from the shock mounting bolts.  You could weld it onto the frame.

The 2022 models have thicker material in the bulkhead area which will add strength and help keep the bolt holes from wallowing out.  The overall design is still the same as the earlier models.  

There are people a lot smarter than me that can explain the double shear stuff.

All I know is in 8000 miles on my other X3 I never had an issues with the front end.  I had a cheap gusset kit that prevented the bolt holes from wallowing out, a bumper with a built in bulk head and I added a shock tower brace after at least 4,000 miles on my car.   I have friends that did nothing to the front of their X3 and it held up fine with 3,000+ miles on their cars.  

 
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NIKAL said:
The SXSguys video podcast was going over the 2021 Can Am line up. They said they asked Can Am directly about the chassis increase being claimed at 30% stronger. So they asked what was and what is the tube thickness to achieve 30%? 
 

Can Am said the chassis tube wall thickness went from 1.4mm to 1.8mm. In the US measurements that is .055 to .071. 
 

Scary!!! 
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That seems like a pretty decent increase to me.  Thanks for finding that info!

 
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Here you go @NIKAL!! Bring the whole gang out with this thing and leave no one back at camp!! This for sure has at least 30% more chassis. May not be able to get over the first hill, but it’ll float through the flat stuff no problem 😉 

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NIKAL said:
While it seems like a big improvement, it’s still very thin. Look at our industry and you will see .095 wall thickness is the common choice. Ask any buggy builder if he would build a chassis or suspension parts from .055, .066, .083 and see what they say? If reputable they would say no way! You might do some lacing or corner tubes with .083, but not a whole chassis. 
 

During one of the Speed shows Robby got ahold of some other UTV brand tubes. Honda with paint on it was .055, I though Can Am was a little thicker, but overalL it was surprising to see how thin, and now Can Am confirmed what their tube thickness was and now is. Still too thin walled if you ask me. 

Technically per Score & BITD rules those tubes would not be legal to race with. But I guess because it’s a production UTV part l, they don’t want to piss of the manufactures, and you have to use a .095 upper cage they allow it. But I could not race a 1600, class 10 etc chassis built of .083 or less. 
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Can Am is .065" if I remember correctly.  We measured it when I cut the cage off my old X3.   The 2022 is allegedly 30% thicker which would put it at a much better .85".  

 
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NIKAL said:
Maybe with paint or not a clean edge the material measured .065? But Can Am they stated it was 1.4mm pre 2022 and now 1.8mm.  Not sure why they would claim less? .065 in metric is 1.65mm. 

1.40 is .055

1.80 is .071

Maybe the material they are getting is not consistent and there are fluctuations in a stick of tubing they are using? I’d think that would be a big fluctuation? But who knows? 
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I am pretty sure several others got the same measurement.  I should of checked the frame where my old car cracked.  All I know for sure is it was not very thick.  Obviously pretty strong to last 8,000 miles of off-road.   Whatever the thickness is for the 2022 models is a big improvement.   

Can Am has always done weird stuff.  Their sport quad 450 had a funky frame set up.  

 
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NIKAL said:
Veys Motorsports in El Cajon has had stacks of Can Am crates in the back lot. There has been probably 25 plus, and today they got more. There has to be 35-40 Can Am crates now. So I called to see what the deal was? Are they full, empty?  I was told they all have cars in them, and BRP/Can Am keeps delivering them to the point they are running out of room. 
 

Some are already sold (deposits), but many are available. But here’s the problem which Sand Shark has mentioned before. Can Am is shipping incomplete cars. All the cars Veys has are incomplete. They are missing the electronics. These cars are shipping without ECU’s and other electronic components. It’s all plug & play parts, but they have no idea when they are getting the parts and for which models. He said the 200hp X3’s are the biggest issues, as those are the cars they need parts for, but can’t get. 
 

Also they said while they have allot of cars in crates, they can’t actually sell them incomplete. They also don’t know what models are coming in or when. For example the RS trim. They don’t have any and don’t know when they could get any? Not a single shipment has been on time, and until they get the manifest, they don’t know what model or trim is coming in. 
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It is a mess for the dealers.   Concord up north was saying 60-90 days for the missing parts.  
 

I am glad I got me car when I did.  Originally I planned on waiting until September.  

 
So Canam is dumping off unsellable, undrivable vehicles on their dealers to store for them until they get parts on backorder.

Nniiiiiiiiiiiiiiice...

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Sand Shark said:
It is a mess for the dealers.   Concord up north was saying 60-90 days for the missing parts.  
 

I am glad I got me car when I did.  Originally I planned on waiting until September.  
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Plus it gave you plenty of time to install all of the "upgrades."

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Dealer by me has 4 brand new 4 seaters all came in with no steering racks or chips.

 
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