All new 2024 canam x3

Rockwood said:
Yep, like ALL of them, LOL.  

Pricing:

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That Base car I think will still be a good value. Low 40s out the door after dealer fees. I bet a lot of these will be in the dunes. Although I don't think the performance will be any better due to the extra weight and extra horsepower combined. Transmission looks super cool and although the suspension may not visually look nice you won't be looking down at your suspension when you are ripping through the dunes. The adjustable sway bar is cool. I wonder if that comes on the standard model or that is upgraded. 40 something thousand dollars is still a lot of money for a side-by-side. Pretty neat how far technology has come and now if you look at the speed car versus the pro r versus the new Can-Am. Some great selections for buyers that can afford it. And possibly Kawasaki being in the mix in the near future. I would personally be very interested in that car leaning more towards mountains and desert and rock crawling and having the buggy for the dunes. For dunes only or mostly dunes this new Can-Am might be hard to beat.

 
onanysunday said:
That Base car I think will still be a good value. Low 40s out the door after dealer fees. I bet a lot of these will be in the dunes. Although I don't think the performance will be any better due to the extra weight and extra horsepower combined. Transmission looks super cool and although the suspension may not visually look nice you won't be looking down at your suspension when you are ripping through the dunes. The adjustable sway bar is cool. I wonder if that comes on the standard model or that is upgraded. 40 something thousand dollars is still a lot of money for a side-by-side. Pretty neat how far technology has come and now if you look at the speed car versus the pro r versus the new Can-Am. Some great selections for buyers that can afford it. And possibly Kawasaki being in the mix in the near future. I would personally be very interested in that car leaning more towards mountains and desert and rock crawling and having the buggy for the dunes. For dunes only or mostly dunes this new Can-Am might be hard to beat.
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7 actual gears and zero concern for fuel economy probably means this car will get more of its horsepower to the ground (with very little time outside of peak power due to gear spread), so I assume it'll be noticeably faster despite the heft.  CVTs will always have a little trouble at low speeds due to gearing/clutching limitations.  

I'm curious if the base car is IBPs or just regular non-position sensitive shocks like the older ones...?  I'm not super familiar with all the SxS Fox shock offerings name-wise.

 
Sad to see ~15k to 20k differece from previous models - but I guess that's the price point that's Polaris set. I paid 30k OTD for my 2 seat 2020 (everything but smart shox) - paying close to 50k for the 2024 model is ridiculous.  I dont see 20k worth of updates.

 
Rockwood said:
7 actual gears and zero concern for fuel economy probably means this car will get more of its horsepower to the ground (with very little time outside of peak power due to gear spread), so I assume it'll be noticeably faster despite the heft.  CVTs will always have a little trouble at low speeds due to gearing/clutching limitations.  

I'm curious if the base car is IBPs or just regular non-position sensitive shocks like the older ones...?  I'm not super familiar with all the SxS Fox shock offerings name-wise.
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So the 2023 XRS weighs 1680 lb with 200 horsepower. Right now every BRP website showing specs is down but I thought I read somewhere 2200 lb for the new car. So is it indeed 500 lb heavier? I equate that in my mind thinking about a sport quad from Honda weighs 350 lb. A dirt bike weighs 225 to 250. 500 lb for only another 30 horsepower does not seem like the right direction for a zippy duner.

 
wesinls said:
Sad to see ~15k to 20k differece from previous models - but I guess that's the price point that's Polaris set. I paid 30k OTD for my 2 seat 2020 (everything but smart shox) - paying close to 50k for the 2024 model is ridiculous.  I dont see 20k worth of updates.
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Yep. Everyone will buy these on payments and then when the economy craps itself there will be a glut of them on the market.

 
onanysunday said:
So the 2023 XRS weighs 1680 lb with 200 horsepower. Right now every BRP website showing specs is down but I thought I read somewhere 2200 lb for the new car. So is it indeed 500 lb heavier? I equate that in my mind thinking about a sport quad from Honda weighs 350 lb. A dirt bike weighs 225 to 250. 500 lb for only another 30 horsepower does not seem like the right direction for a zippy duner.
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Yeah, I assume the extra beef from the suspension and geared transmission are to blame here, as well as size bloat.

But the original X3s put 114whp down from 154hp, so they lost more than the usual 20% through the CVT (which are generally less efficient).  I'm assuming this model will have more than a 40hp delta where it counts: to the wheels, but we shall see given the bigger brakes and rollers.

Pounds/Crank HP comparison:

Pro R: 10.5
Maverick X3: 8.63
Maverick R: 9.1
Speed: 10.6

If the Maverick R is more than 5% more efficient than the CVT model, should be at least on par performance wise.  The Honda Talon puts 80% of its power to the wheels, compared to 74% for the X3, so I think I'm mostly probably certainly sure this is solid reasoning... :biggrin:

 
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Rockwood said:
7 actual gears and zero concern for fuel economy probably means this car will get more of its horsepower to the ground (with very little time outside of peak power due to gear spread), so I assume it'll be noticeably faster despite the heft.  CVTs will always have a little trouble at low speeds due to gearing/clutching limitations.  

I'm curious if the base car is IBPs or just regular non-position sensitive shocks like the older ones...?  I'm not super familiar with all the SxS Fox shock offerings name-wise.
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Base model has the QS3 Fox shocks which have compression only 3 click settings.   The have a model under the smart shock that has the 3.0 Fox IBS shocks.  

 
onanysunday said:
So the 2023 XRS weighs 1680 lb with 200 horsepower. Right now every BRP website showing specs is down but I thought I read somewhere 2200 lb for the new car. So is it indeed 500 lb heavier? I equate that in my mind thinking about a sport quad from Honda weighs 350 lb. A dirt bike weighs 225 to 250. 500 lb for only another 30 horsepower does not seem like the right direction for a zippy duner.
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The top model Maverick R is 2250 and the base model is 2150.  

Depending on the gearing and the fact it should have very little to zero turbo lag it should be quite zippy.  Can Am is not going to release a dog in the dunes.    It is 35 more hp.  

 
I am impressed at first blush   -  I think its gonna work really well , but not being 2000 cc+ was a disappointment

  Admittedly anyone getting the "full boogie" version with some added accessories will be in 70K+ OTD

First timers need a trailer and other accessories like tie downs etc.  so add $5K at least

Not going to be the $350 a month no money down crowd ... of 2017-2018...

But buddies disagree- they think that $1250 a month payment will not deter, they say SxS's  are still selling very well

I am still not sure how insurance companies cover these high end SxS's so cheap  - Of the last two Pro-R's in My crew, the newest one Lawn darted and ripped the tabs off - totalled and insurance paid out in full $59k  and he made only one $61 payment  (totaled in under 30 days)

My 60K truck costs me $2400 in insurance a year  - weird

 
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Fullthrottleguy said:
I am impressed at first blush   -  I think its gonna work really well , but not being 2000 cc+ was a disappointment

  Admittedly anyone getting the "full boogie" version with some added accessories will be in 70K+ OTD

First timers need a trailer and other accessories like tie downs etc.  so add $5K at least

Not going to be the $350 a month no money down crowd ... of 2017-2018...

But buddies disagree- they think that $1250 a month payment will not deter, they say SxS's  are still selling very well

I am still not sure how insurance companies cover these high end SxS's so cheap  - Of the last two Pro-R's in My crew, the newest one Lawn darted and ripped the tabs off - totalled and insurance paid out in full $59k  and he made only one $61 payment  (totaled in under 30 days)

My 60K truck costs me $2400 in insurance a year  - weird
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I assume they're still making money.  I've been expecting the X3's insurance policy to assplode since 2017...  Still amazingly cheap.

 
Fullthrottleguy said:
I am impressed at first blush   -  I think its gonna work really well , but not being 2000 cc+ was a disappointment

  Admittedly anyone getting the "full boogie" version with some added accessories will be in 70K+ OTD

First timers need a trailer and other accessories like tie downs etc.  so add $5K at least

Not going to be the $350 a month no money down crowd ... of 2017-2018...

But buddies disagree- they think that $1250 a month payment will not deter, they say SxS's  are still selling very well

I am still not sure how insurance companies cover these high end SxS's so cheap  - Of the last two Pro-R's in My crew, the newest one Lawn darted and ripped the tabs off - totalled and insurance paid out in full $59k  and he made only one $61 payment  (totaled in under 30 days)

My 60K truck costs me $2400 in insurance a year  - weird
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People will just have to make bigger down payments or the financing will soon be 10 years to make the payment more reasonable.   Interest rates have to be stupid high on a powersports loan these days. 

 
Sand Shark said:
Base model has the QS3 Fox shocks which have compression only 3 click settings.   The have a model under the smart shock that has the 3.0 Fox IBS shocks.  
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Kind of a bummer that you don't get IBPs until the top offering.

 
Here is a good breakdown video from the Miller brothers (KOH champs)



 
Rockwood said:
Kind of a bummer that you don't get IBPs until the top offering.
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They have to cut back on something to reduce the price.   I wonder if the shocks are the same length as they use on the X3.  

 
There is just something about it that makes me cringe for some reason.  We shall see. 

 
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