SXS Weld Porn or Weld Horror?

Is it common practice for the UTV Manufacturers race teams to re-weld all of the welds?  Do they just put in some gussets as required?

Or do the manufacturers race teams hand build their UTVs, including all of the welds and tubing from the ground up?

 
Is it common practice for the UTV Manufacturers race teams to re-weld all of the welds?  Do they just put in some gussets as required?

Or do the manufacturers race teams hand build their UTVs, including all of the welds and tubing from the ground up?
Lots of race teams remake the chassis…

 
Ya know what would really make this thread awesome?  

Everyone posting in it taking a welding test, with results to follow...  LOL

Count down to first google image searched "awesome weld" example..

 
You guys don't even bother. I've got this.

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Ya know what would really make this thread awesome?  

Everyone posting in it taking a welding test, with results to follow...  LOL

Count down to first google image searched "awesome weld" example..
I might be able to have some fun with this. 

 
Per the Score & BITD rules for the Pro Turbo and Pro NA classes you must keep the factory OEM suspension points and tubes they attach to. The OEM center main rails that attach the front & rear sections together.  You must keep the stock frame where the engine & trans mount. Everything else is cut off and re fabricated. You can gusset or reinforce the OEM parts left. Most reweld, plate or gusset to add strength. The new Open classes allow full aftermarket frames like what Geiser is making for the X3. 
 

Here is how much of the Polaris OEM chassis is left after cutting everything else off. This is Brandon Sims Polaris OEM chassis that Lone Star built his last race car from. 
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Here is a Lone Star Honda Talon chassis. The red tubes are OEM, the rest is hand built. There are a few red square tubes under the floor you can’t see. But not much is left compared to stock. 
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Here is a Jamie Campbell Raceco Honda Talon Score race car based on a 2 seat chassis. 
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Here is a Raceco 4 seat chassis built into a 2 seat race car. Hard to see as the OEM chassis is black, but there’s more hand crafted chassis then OEM. 
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Wow thanks for educating us non Racers!  That being said, Speed is supposed to be ready to race out of the box right?  I mean RG I believe had always claimed that back in show 1-99? Not that I'd race or anything but if true then thats pretty bad ass.

 
I should have gone to see one when they came thru my area, didn't go to SSSS either.

:crusty:

 
But we gotta help SS get to 200!
Speaking of that little devil. Where has he been lately? Haven’t seen any posts from him in a while. Don’t say it LOTD, there’s no way he’s adding anymore gussets to his gussets. :rofl: @Sand Shark where you at man?

 
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I thought the same thing on both counts. I can't imagine how much shipping costs for all of those parts. The chassis is pretty bulky, I imagine they could pack the suspension and other parts inside of the chassis, but they can't stuff too many of those in a shipping container. I'm guessing he's gotta be saving a lot of money on materials and welding by doing it over there.

Between inflation and rising shipping costs, this really is a bad time to be in the mfg business.
One of the beauties of automation (robots) is that it cuts out the cost of labor.  Offshore's Only advantage is labor cost.  This is why China fears it and why Japan has invested so heavily into it for JDM. (think Toyota)

if your raw materials are made locally or easy/cheap to ship - it makes Zero sense to build an automated process component like a chassis in China

Today all the tubes are bent cut and notched in an automated fashion and welded robotically

Why would you assemble in china unless your raw material is coming from there (scary) or you're assembling completely there (scarier).

The ex VP of manufacturing at Apple completely automated iphone production so it could be moved to several places around the globe.  It never moved out of China (yet) because China is a huge consumer market and they told Apple build here or you cannot sell here 

I give them credit for standing up for that - I don't think any SxS maker has that issue

 
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Actually the iPhone production is not full automated. The boards & circuitry are. But allot is still human handled. And there is no way Apple is or was trying to leave China. The fact is Foxconn (aka Hon Hai Precision, TW owned) makes the IPhone and pretty much all of Apples products. Foxconn is the largest electronics contract manufacture in the world. They have manufactures around the world, and China is the largest, as that’s were most of the chips and circuitry is manufactured. If Apple was attempting to leave China they would be leaving Foxconn and that’s not happening. 

Regarding  raw materials. Your right getting out raw materials from overseas is scary. Not because of quality, because a large majority of our steel and metal comes from Asia now anyways. But the fact we are just that much more dependent on Asia for something we were the leaders in, and manufactured right here in the States. That’s the scariest part of me. The US has deliberately weakened itself when they took their eyes off the prize and focused on other less important things. We allowed and deliberately gave our strength to Asia and China when we let them manufacture everything we depend on. 
I don't want to get off subject but I beg to differ  -  they 100% have the capabilities to fully automate the line  - I was involved in the process. Yeah everything from  building boards, pick and place stuffing, automated test, enclosed finish and assy, system test and packaging.  4 people can make 1000 phones an hour. 

The machines were made in Germany and assembled in China and tested there, but never shipped out. Right now they are a negotiating tool- easy to replicate and deploy if needed.

It's not that much cheaper to move the raw materials within mainland as opposed to outside.  and its about the same time - the stuff is light and gets flown. Apple piloted the domestic build process in Austin on the  2013 MacPro, it was a leverage move and test scenario.

I completely agree we are severely weakened and could not even resupply in a war if we needed to.  I give Trump the nod for knowing this and wanting to change this. but even that thought is gone now ...

I negotiated a line move of my Apple product line to Foxconn when I was there and spent plenty of time with the exec's over the years. Foxconn has presence worldwide and built my products for my last start up in NorCal. I never ramped enough to move the line before selling the company.

The ONLY reason Apple is still making the iphone exclusively in China is to have access to the Chinese domestic market. The TAM is 2x the size of the US and EMEA and Tim is very greedy. shareholders like that even if it means being at the mercy of China.

No One controls Tim Cook, he is the best Op's guy on the planet. Everyone plays by his rules. He wants a change he does it. I respect him for that. He proved his expertise over and over working with him.

Intel was not happy about Apple making their own Silicon. And Intel  "owns" the uP market (except AMD and ARM = MICE NUTS) Apple moved. If M series failed Apple could still go back to Intel - its business, no doors are closed ...

If RG's engine fails I am 100% sure Rotax or anyone else will sell to him. Its business, not grudges - that stuff only happens in movie plots.

Yeah it sucks we are still building in China, but unless we stop worrying about pronouns and start worrying about the basics, thats not going to change, and by then we won't be able to change it ..

 
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Pretty interesting how they make the iPhone and why Apple will not leave Foxconn & China. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mi-WCA8L2d4
Yeah all that useless labor is why China INSISTS Apple manufacture there  - keep all those barely skilled ex - rice patty pickers in jobs - not a knock on the people reality of a communist government - and even that video is not exactly accurate

Lots of "guessing there with stock photography - apple manufacturing is kept secret - been there many times

I would bet robotic welding is not making jobs for chinese other than building robots

 
Back to welds. I found these pictures I had from last year of the first Speed pre production chassis parts that were sent to NC for inspection. 
 

Robby said these were robot welded parts for the soon to be assembled pre production cars. Robby mentioned at the time the straight welds or plate welds were looking good. 
 

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I have never seen "used parts" robotically welded as a test?  seems strange

 
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