Help with a new (to me) truck

Bldrinker said:
Granger Ford Iowa. They give the same deal to anyone ordering. 
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IDK what it is with Iowa, but when we were ordering the TRX there was a dealer in Iowa going $8k below MSRP.  Most other dealers were $5-20k OVER.  We ended up going with a more local dealer, who couldn't match that $8k off MSRP, but are giving us a lot for our Trackhawk and in NV the trade-in value is deducted from the new vehicle price for tax purposes, so it worked out close 'nough in the wash to not be worth driving a brand new TRX home from Iowa in the peak of winter salt. 

-TJ
 

 
I stay pretty up to date on all the diesel forums and you really cant go wrong with the 3 to choose from..  If you went brand new.. Seems like they all fixed a big issue that all 3 had going and that was the cp4 fuel pump..  If your choosing to buy a couple years old you will need to do your home work due to the famous cp4 issues..  I would not buy a diesel with a cp4.   Its just a ticking time bomb that will eventually be a 8k dollar repair..  My vote would be the  the 4 gen rams..  Thats if you wanted a proven truck without any big issues..  The best option would be the 06 lbz durmax but its tough to find a low mile truck with out all the paint flaking off.. Any of the 3 diesels that have DPF systems will sooner or later be a issue..  Seems like im always reading on all the forums thats a main issue that these trucks have.. Sooner or later the dpf system will go out and its going to cost and it dosnt matter what brand you have.. 

 
I have a 2017 Ram 2500 that I'm thinking about selling. 83k miles and thinking $56000. Message me if you're interested and want more details.

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I know the OP wants to keep his cost down. And I’m pretty much a cheap SOB. 
 

The truck I just ordered is about 5k less than a 2yr old one is used. 

But look at what used trucks are going for then go see what a base level trim new truck is to order. 
 

same dam price or cheaper. Buying used just don’t make sense unless you are buying real old. 

 
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Bldrinker said:
I know the OP wants to keep his cost down. And I’m pretty much a cheap SOB. 
 

The truck I just ordered is about 5k less than a 2yr old one is used. 

But look at what used trucks are going for then go see what a base level trim new truck is to order. 
 

same dam price or cheaper. Buying used just don’t make sense unless you are buying real old. 
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I like your style man. I'll be in the market sometime next year and I thought I would be gung-ho about a diesel but I'm not that opposed to gas either and now that I think about it, how can you go wrong. I've seen and heard about those repair bills. Scary to say the least. I do like the bling'ed out stuff but if it's a case of 30k less for a not so base model, I'm probably gonna lift it some and put wheels on it anyway, it may look just as good. Hmm. 

 
I'm a Ford Guy. And I buy NEW. Gonna hate buying my next truck. Peace

 
adam909 said:
I stay pretty up to date on all the diesel forums and you really cant go wrong with the 3 to choose from..  If you went brand new.. Seems like they all fixed a big issue that all 3 had going and that was the cp4 fuel pump..  If your choosing to buy a couple years old you will need to do your home work due to the famous cp4 issues..  I would not buy a diesel with a cp4.   Its just a ticking time bomb that will eventually be a 8k dollar repair..  My vote would be the  the 4 gen rams..  Thats if you wanted a proven truck without any big issues..  The best option would be the 06 lbz durmax but its tough to find a low mile truck with out all the paint flaking off.. Any of the 3 diesels that have DPF systems will sooner or later be a issue..  Seems like im always reading on all the forums thats a main issue that these trucks have.. Sooner or later the dpf system will go out and its going to cost and it dosnt matter what brand you have.. 
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I have a 2011 LML, so I have the "dreaded" CP4.2.  I've had a lift pump and filtration on it since ~5k miles (at about 130k miles now) and I've never had a hiccup w/ the 4.2.  That said, around 100k miles I had the CP4.2 replaced as a precautionary measure.  I thought about a modded pump, or swapping to a CP3 setup, but in the end I was totally happy with the OG 4.2 for the first 100k miles, and if I swap 'em every 100k just to feel better about it, I don't mind. 

The 4.2 that's now in my truck has never run without a lift pump, triple filtration and good fuel treatment (I use Stanadyne performance formula).  When I hit 200k, I'll swap the 4.2 again.  I had it done at a dealership, but my buddy runs parts and service there.  Still, he really can't "help" me or fudge the numbers since he has a tech doing the work and it's all "book time" stuff.  What he did do; and any dealer should also do, is adjust numbers if you do anything else at the same time that's already coming apart.  I chose to have the water pump, both t-stats, every single belt/hose, all the idler/tensioners, various misc gaskets or other soft-parts, and a few other things replaced while they had the front of the motor accessible. 

All-in it was something like a $2500 job, maybe 3k I forget.  I put about 10k miles on my truck a year (hopefully going up as I'm converting it to "Overland" duties - prob start a thread on that soon) and have owned it since new.  It was purchased in late-Oct of '10 so I've had it over 11 years now.  If you amortize the cost of the whole CP4.2 job including all the extras I threw in (that will need replaced every decade on ANY truck), using the high-end ($3k) it's something like $270/yr.  I'm okay with that - I  guess others might not be, but to me it's not worth going and buying a $80k truck and spending the $20k on mods (lift/wheels/tires/stereo/delete/tunes/etc.) that I know I'd spend just to avoid the CP4.2.

-TJ

 
My buddy has an 06 Mega Cab he's selling for 25k I believe. He's the original owner. Only selling because he bought a new one. I don't have any pics or remember the miles but you can call him if you're interested. 

Jerry

(408)981-5669

 
tjZ06 said:
I have a 2011 LML, so I have the "dreaded" CP4.2.  I've had a lift pump and filtration on it since ~5k miles (at about 130k miles now) and I've never had a hiccup w/ the 4.2.  That said, around 100k miles I had the CP4.2 replaced as a precautionary measure.  I thought about a modded pump, or swapping to a CP3 setup, but in the end I was totally happy with the OG 4.2 for the first 100k miles, and if I swap 'em every 100k just to feel better about it, I don't mind. 

The 4.2 that's now in my truck has never run without a lift pump, triple filtration and good fuel treatment (I use Stanadyne performance formula).  When I hit 200k, I'll swap the 4.2 again.  I had it done at a dealership, but my buddy runs parts and service there.  Still, he really can't "help" me or fudge the numbers since he has a tech doing the work and it's all "book time" stuff.  What he did do; and any dealer should also do, is adjust numbers if you do anything else at the same time that's already coming apart.  I chose to have the water pump, both t-stats, every single belt/hose, all the idler/tensioners, various misc gaskets or other soft-parts, and a few other things replaced while they had the front of the motor accessible. 

All-in it was something like a $2500 job, maybe 3k I forget.  I put about 10k miles on my truck a year (hopefully going up as I'm converting it to "Overland" duties - prob start a thread on that soon) and have owned it since new.  It was purchased in late-Oct of '10 so I've had it over 11 years now.  If you amortize the cost of the whole CP4.2 job including all the extras I threw in (that will need replaced every decade on ANY truck), using the high-end ($3k) it's something like $270/yr.  I'm okay with that - I  guess others might not be, but to me it's not worth going and buying a $80k truck and spending the $20k on mods (lift/wheels/tires/stereo/delete/tunes/etc.) that I know I'd spend just to avoid the CP4.2.

-TJ
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It sounds like you have a good understanding of the cp4 and the damage it could do..   The cp4 has no shelf life it can grenade at 2k miles or never be a issue..  Unfortunately with the shitty Design of how the pistion can rotate any time on the cam its just a matter of when.. Lift pumps might help alittle but will not stop a cp4 from grenading.We all know the reason why chevy, Ram,Ford went back to the Cp3 pumps due to they last and issue free.. 

 
Thanks for all the info, and the links to a few trucks for sale. This is really what I was hoping for out of this thread. As I start to dig @Bldrinker has me thinking  a Ford 6.2 is a very viable option as well. I definitely need to do more research on the CP4 issues 

 
I had my 19 F250 at the dealer for some warranty work and the courtesy transportation that Enterprise gave me was a 21 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. After driving the Ram for 3 days I am so glad to get my F250 back! IMO it was an inferior truck, my F250 literally did everything better. Compared back to back the Powerstroke will eat that Cummins for breakfast. 

Sorry Dodge guys just my direct observations between the two.

 
adam909 said:
It sounds like you have a good understanding of the cp4 and the damage it could do..   The cp4 has no shelf life it can grenade at 2k miles or never be a issue..  Unfortunately with the shitty Design of how the pistion can rotate any time on the cam its just a matter of when.. Lift pumps might help alittle but will not stop a cp4 from grenading.We all know the reason why chevy, Ram,Ford went back to the Cp3 pumps due to they last and issue free.. 
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I disagree, 99% of failures are after 100k and never on trucks with lift pumps and filtration. 

-TJ

 
mark5193 said:
the big hemi in the ram 2500 is also something to consider.
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Yeah, the 6.4 isn't too bad.  Though, it's honestly out-classed by Ford's 7.3 gasser and the 10-speed, which was one of my hang-ups with the Power Wagons. 

-TJ
 

 
acefuture said:
Thanks for all the info, and the links to a few trucks for sale. This is really what I was hoping for out of this thread. As I start to dig @Bldrinker has me thinking  a Ford 6.2 is a very viable option as well. I definitely need to do more research on the CP4 issues 
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The Ford 6.2 is a dam good engine. 
but it comes with only a 6 speed I believe? But I think you can get 4:30’s with it. 
 

I bet a 6.4 Hemi 8 speed with 4:10’s would spank it. I dam near went this route. As I liked my 6.4 6 speed.  
 

I have had over 23 trucks in my life (I’m 42yrs old) If you have any questions shoot. My 6.4 6 speed with 4:88’s yanked this beast like no big deal. But the fuel mileage would be as low as 5mpg.  
trailer was every bit of 13k. 

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tjZ06 said:
I disagree, 99% of failures are after 100k and never on trucks with lift pumps and filtration. 

-TJ
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LOL 99% huh..  Looks like your unaware but Ram is recalling 222,410 trucks due to the  cp4 issue..  So you really think that ram would do a recall due to a pump grenading after 100k miles?    Cp4 fuel pumps are junk everyone knows this..  Hopefully Ford follows..     https://moparinsiders.com/recall-ram-recalls-222410-cummins-powered-trucks-for-cp4-fuel-pump/

 
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