Any business owners here suffering with $7/g fuel prices?

Duster said:
"Those that blame "this or that" fed government policy for our condition are clueless" 

"Domestic oil production is not down, in fact is on the rise. Keystone is one controversial example that is being overblown."

"Yes, some policies have small cause and affect here and there..." 

You can't be serious...  
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I’m waiting…..

Apparently you’ve got some news/FACTS I’m unaware of?

The news is filled with rhetoric. Bring some facts.

Im tired of the sniveling around internet stories that become fact just because they are written. 
 

 
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Realbadlarry said:
Well then, enlighten us stupid people.... tell us how None of this is because of the direction this government is going.....tell us how we are on the right track. 
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You show ME. How do I call out policy that doesn’t exist?

People blame their fed government for everything that affects THEIR lives. Is someone really blaming Democratic policy for our current inflation? Show me this policy?

I’ll listen to facts. 

Our current condition is what it is. Can’t think of any policy that is a singular cause. Sanctions? Conservative leader would not have done the same? Tariffs? Hmmmmmmmm…..

Is it gun control? Some minor changes have been made but mostly at the STATE level.

Everything would be different if Trump won the election? How?

Do Democrats tell more lies to their voters than Republicans? Probably.

Is Nancy Pilosi a shitbag? Of course. Does Kamala Harris make one want to hurl? You bet.

Now bring some cause and affect facts….

 
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THD said:
To add to this ^^^^ I read yesterday that Obama just added a very large propane tank on his Martha's Vineyard mansion at a cost of $75k (info gleaned from public permits).

Tells you how much he believes in solar or wind?

Could he possibly be preparing for something?
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I’ve been upping my ‘prep’ for some time… you can always add right? … since I’m not using any of the items (except the whiskey and pharmaceuticals) … I’m hoping to be somewhat ‘complete’ soon.

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Skyward said:
You show ME. How do I call out policy that doesn’t exist?

People blame their fed government for everything that affects THEIR lives. Is someone really blaming Democratic policy for our current inflation? Show me this policy?

I’ll listen to facts. 

Our current condition is what it is. Can’t think of any policy that is a singular cause. Sanctions? Conservative leader would not have done the same? Tariffs? Hmmmmmmmm…..

Is it gun control? Some minor changes have been made but mostly at the STATE level.

Everything would be different if Trump won the election? How?

Do Democrats tell more lies to their voters than Republicans? Probably.

Is Nancy Pilosi a shitbag? Of course. Does Kamala Harris make one want to hurl? You bet.

Now bring some cause and affect facts….
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All I know is how good things were when Trump was in office.

Businesses were thriving, fuel costs were down, our border was being secured, our foreign affairs were in check, our economy was better, Unemployment was at an all time low etc...

When Obummer was in office...the division of this country started, he hated this country and set out to divide us all and put us in turmoil. Also, North Korea was a topic...Kim Jong-un was a threat, Trump spearheaded that guy real quick.

I'm not saying Trump was perfect...he needed to keep his ass off twitter, but he ran this country like a business and not like a Politician. That is why I voted for him!

He loves this country and supports our military, veterans, fire, police, 2nd Amendment, the working class who are the backbone of this country!

The second Biden got in office, the first thing he did was cost thousands of people their jobs. The plan was to undo all that Trump did simply because Trump did it. That is not thinking what is good for the American people!

Again, all I'm saying is that when Trump was in office...Things were better from my point of view and from my point of view this current administration is the WORST I have experienced in my lifetime and I was around for the Carter years, but as a kid!

And I thought Obummer WAS HORRIBLE....Biden has surpassed that by a long shot!

:cheers:

My worthless $0.02 which is now worth $0.00000000000000001/FJB 

:bag:

 
Realbadlarry said:
Well then, enlighten us stupid people.... tell us how None of this is because of the direction this government is going.....tell us how we are on the right track. 
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Whoa...Slow your scroll.  These are some tid-bits I plucked from another post in this thread.  And since then the poster of those comments seems to be standing firm behind them, and waiting to be proven otherwise.  Unfortunately though, it appears he has forgotten Brandon's first day at the helm.  If I remember correctly he had a stack of E.O. he signed directly targeting oil supply and production, among other things.  It was the follow up of the promises of he made on the campaign trail.  Since then he and his cabinet members have done their best to destroy the fossil fuel industry by way of overly cumbersome regulations as well interfering monetarily...banks, loans, funding...ect. 

What I find most interesting with our Skyward thinking friend was pointed out in his last comments. "Everything would be different if Trump won the election? How?  Sorry to say, but everything is different.  But I guess he could be on to something, Brandon's only policy so far seems to be destroying, and eliminating Trumps policies.    

 
I will only say, blaming the current President for everything or even crediting Trump for everything is very short-sighted. Some facts:

  • Keystone XL Pipeline - was no where near being open, did not affect our current situation at all
  • Fracking - this process was never consistent in production, we were only fracking when prices of oil got high enough to be profitable, due to the cost to produce oil this way.  But that being said, oil production in this country is up currently.
  • Supply and demand - if anything we have learned thru Covid is how delicate supply and demand is in everything.  Stopping and starting an economy isn't easy on supplies of everything.
  • The Government has released a lot of oil from our strategic supply, why has oil continued to rise??  I really don't know this.

Just an disclaimer, because some people will think I am defending Biden, I am not.  I just hate emotional arguments (example: they are purposely raising oil prices to push us into electric vehicles) that have zero facts behind them, I also don't give credit for much of what a President does or doesn't do.  

Now if we want to get into inflation, then I will throw Biden under the bus all day long.  But in the end this affects everything, even Gas.

 
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This is why you can put the blame on the current Administration

Trump calls the Saudi's and say's "Increase production or we stop selling you the spare parts for the F-16's we sold you plus  We will also start selling more stuff to the Jews"

Biden calls, The Saudi Prince says to put him on hold and let me know when he hangs up.

 The world leaders thought Trump was an A-hole and thought he was a joke, but they knew he was enough of a A-hole to upset their apple cart and would at least take his phone calls

 
Ok, I'll jump in and add my 2 cents on the price of energy.

I do believe that our Federal Government does have influence on the price of energy. They do not set prices, nor do the large oil companies. The world market sets prices, just like commodities markets set the price for food. When geo politics affects the supply of oil, it will have a direct impact on prices. That is how OPEC influences the oil markets, they decrease or increase supply to influence pricing. The oil markets not only look at the short term when setting prices, but long term too. We are the largest oil producer in the world which gives the US a lot of leverage on the markets, just like OPEC had a couple decades ago. And when you have a US administration that publically announces that their goal is to put the fossil fuel industries out of business, I would think that would have a tremendous impact on energy prices.

To blame Russia for the current increase is a joke. They are still getting their oil to market, such as China and India who are buying up what Putin has to offer at discounted prices. Hence, the world supply has been minimally impacted by the Ukrain conflict.

I agree that the Keystone pipeline has been given too much emphasis on current pricing, but it does have some impact. It would increase the amount of oil on the world market which in turn would help reduce pricing pressures. 

Biden continues to tout all the leases that are available, but it's what they don't say that is affecting increased production, the heavy handed regulations that essentially makes it impossible to get the permits needed to develop the infrastructure to explore and transport the oil to market. The departments of Interior, EPA, Energy, etc. have all used the permit process to shut down further development. One thing the public probably doesn't realize is how these draconian regulations have impacted the refinery business, which has a big impact on gasoline pricing. We have not built a new refinery in the US for many years due to regulatory requirements. But what is more alarming is that new regulations have caused small and mid size refineries to shut down. They cannot afford to make the needed changes to meet the new requirements to stay open.

One other tactic the Biden administration did to hurt the energy market was to pressure Wall St to stop funding the energy industries to make it difficult to fund further expansion of our oil and gas resources. It takes huge sums to develop new sources of energy, and it is very risky for the oil companies to pour all their resources into further exploration. They do have stock holders to answer to.

But who really knows? I may be wrong and we will all have unicorns for pets and permanent rainbows over our homes while Biden is in office?  :dunno:

 
THD said:
Ok, I'll jump in and add my 2 cents on the price of energy.

I do believe that our Federal Government does have influence on the price of energy. They do not set prices, nor do the large oil companies. The world market sets prices, just like commodities markets set the price for food. When geo politics affects the supply of oil, it will have a direct impact on prices. That is how OPEC influences the oil markets, they decrease or increase supply to influence pricing. The oil markets not only look at the short term when setting prices, but long term too. We are the largest oil producer in the world which gives the US a lot of leverage on the markets, just like OPEC had a couple decades ago. And when you have a US administration that publically announces that their goal is to put the fossil fuel industries out of business, I would think that would have a tremendous impact on energy prices.

To blame Russia for the current increase is a joke. They are still getting their oil to market, such as China and India who are buying up what Putin has to offer at discounted prices. Hence, the world supply has been minimally impacted by the Ukrain conflict.

I agree that the Keystone pipeline has been given too much emphasis on current pricing, but it does have some impact. It would increase the amount of oil on the world market which in turn would help reduce pricing pressures. 

Biden continues to tout all the leases that are available, but it's what they don't say that is affecting increased production, the heavy handed regulations that essentially makes it impossible to get the permits needed to develop the infrastructure to explore and transport the oil to market. The departments of Interior, EPA, Energy, etc. have all used the permit process to shut down further development. One thing the public probably doesn't realize is how these draconian regulations have impacted the refinery business, which has a big impact on gasoline pricing. We have not built a new refinery in the US for many years due to regulatory requirements. But what is more alarming is that new regulations have caused small and mid size refineries to shut down. They cannot afford to make the needed changes to meet the new requirements to stay open.

One other tactic the Biden administration did to hurt the energy market was to pressure Wall St to stop funding the energy industries to make it difficult to fund further expansion of our oil and gas resources. It takes huge sums to develop new sources of energy, and it is very risky for the oil companies to pour all their resources into further exploration. They do have stock holders to answer to.

But who really knows? I may be wrong and we will all have unicorns for pets and permanent rainbows over our homes while Biden is in office?  :dunno:
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I think you covered it pretty well.  

Last new oil refinery built was in the 1970's, 50 years ago.  Some of been expanded, but nothing new built. For the most part, we have a bigger issue with capacity rather than supply.  Most refinery's are running over 95% capacity. At 95%, one small hick up i.e. a refinery fire, then the whole system cant keep up. 

I don't know the numbers, we are running with far fewer refinery's now than we did 10 years ago.

I also think the oil companies are trying to make higher margins right now, they all claim they were working off smaller margins when Covid first hit?

Either way we are getting hit hard

 
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Now we are getting somewhere….

Too many news stories are written with false dichotomy.

The money supply machine was underway at the election. Did the new President try to overload with too much/too long free cash? You bet until his own party member (Manchin) shut it down. We got away with one there. Bonus. 
 

There is more at play than a bunch of lazy, entitled punks that don’t want to work. Blame the parents. People have left the workforce for a better quality of life and not wanting to deal with the current state of things. Who will replace our retiring generation? We are in deep chit!

I walked. California is done. I’m spending my best days in Wyoming building my fence. Oh, and diesel can be had for $5.50 here. Sorry, but Wyoming is closed. I’m sure you’ve read about it in the news lately. Stay home.

Supply chain and energy costs are at the core of what we are dealing with now. The biggest mistake Biden will make is to pressure the Fed to ease rates once recession takes hold in 2024. Let the economy fall apart. Clear out the dead wood.

What else ya got?

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1HasBeen said:
You're kidding, right? Bailouts all over the place, QE to the moon, etc.  The only people who got facked were those of us who lived right, paid their bills, and saved money.
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My parents were in about 6 TIC, Tenants in Common. Where about 25 investors get together and buy large buildings or apartment complexes. All was good...management companies were handling everything, money was flowing in.

Then 2008 hit and they lost 90% of their income.

If that was still going strong their portion of their investments would have been worth millions more especially how today's market is with real estate. Sadly they lost most of it. The banks didn't help the owners...the banks took advantage and ended up with the properties. 

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marknkidz said:
Im No fan of Sleepy Joe (no fan of Trump either)...

but i highly doubt its Sleepys plan to have gas at $7.00 a gallon or anywhere near that!

its Political suicide!! No chance of getting re-elected if Gas prices stay anywhere close to where they are now...
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He's been on record saying just that "it's a necessary evil to make people go green" or very similar 

 
This thread did the standard GD.com direction change.  Maybe it can get back on track.  I am a business owner and the $7/gal fuel is affecting me huge.

Tomorrow my son leaves on a 5600 mile trip hauling three different 40' to 45' 5th wheels.  Starts in LA, heads to Ramona for the first 40' 5th wheel, then to Lindale TX to drop it off.  From here he heads to our friends house in Duncan, Oklahoma to chill for a day, then up to Tulsa, OK to pick up a 45' 5th wheel and take it to Bend, OR.  From there he'll go to St. Anthony for a 45' 5th wheel being delivered to Fesno, CA.  Then he comes back home (Los Angeles area). 

He tries to keep himself at 600 miles per day but that can vary a little depending on if he has a safe place to layover for the night.  The trip should take him 9 days of driving but he will make a few stops for some R&R in Oklahoma and again in Wichita, Kansas.  Hoping he makes it home before 4th of July.

He will have 4211 miles while towing 5th wheels and 1389 miles dead heading.  We added a 100 gallon aux tank plumbed to the stock 36 gallon tank.  The main goal to never buy fuel in CA unless absolutley necessary.  We did top the truck off today in our town for $6.59/gal.  He will also top off tomorrow before picking up the first 5th wheel in Ramona so he can hand calculate his unloaded mileage from our house, about 140 miles.  I recently had a new tune put on my truck and the tuner was claiming 22-24mpg not towing.  I also have some other stuff done to the truck but I can't post about it. 

Regardless the tuck is down on power and feels slugish.  I DGAF if it gets me near the MPG's my tuner is claming.  I had a new Stage I turbo installed and without a new tune the truck got 18.33mpg from Glamis back to my home about 240 miles doing 75-80mph the entire way.

Fortunately fuel is $1 to $1.50 per gallon cheaper outside of CA.  My son will log all fuel purchases and miles driven for this long trip.

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Skyward said:
You show ME. How do I call out policy that doesn’t exist?

I’ll listen to facts. 

Our current condition is what it is. Can’t think of any policy that is a singular cause. Sanctions? Conservative leader would not have done the same? Tariffs? Hmmmmmmmm…..

Is it gun control? Some minor changes have been made but mostly at the STATE level.

Everything would be different if Trump won the election? How?

Do Democrats tell more lies to their voters than Republicans? Probably.

Is Nancy Pilosi a shitbag? Of course. Does Kamala Harris make one want to hurl? You bet.

Now bring some cause and affect facts….
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the current administration spent money in the trillions for build back better, of which some was covid relief, of which most have not spent this money, shrinking my money.

never has the amount of illegals' crossed our border and they are coming in groves, they stopped building an effective wall too.

they have let expire any oil leases and refuse to allow new drilling for US oil companies, they pretend the electric grid is ready for an all electric society overnight 

they have required air traffic controllers to have implementation of covid rules that have caused a shortage of them and is partly to blame for massive flight cancellations 

anything the current admiration doesn't like, im racists, CRT

Biden and Pelosi they say they are Christian or Catholic but support prochoice to the point they dont mention anything about destruction and defacing pro life businesses, death to children even up and to birth.

attack on guns

these are causes/affects "this" admiration has done that affect my life--directly

 
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