Why Gas Engines Are Far From Dead - Biggest EV Problems

I cut it off at 7:00 mins. Battery Operated vehicles can't be the answer! Too heavy, too much space! Peace

 
ChEFF said:
I cut it off at 7:00 mins. Battery Operated vehicles can't be the answer! Too heavy, too much space! Peace
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And where are you going to charge it if you have to park in the street, live in a apartment building, have kids with a few cars or travel across the country. Plus the electric system won't support everyone having a electric car. If you want to buy one fine but don't try to force everyone to buy one. Also where does the electricity come from? natural gas, coal it is not free of pollution's and is not free. DON~~~

 
One thing he didn't address is the environmental damage caused by mining the minerals needed to make EV's compared to ICE vehicles, and what they are going to do with these batteries when they are used up.

Not to mention the cost to replace the battery banks when they die.

 
Don Parscale said:
And where are you going to charge it if you have to park in the street, live in a apartment building, have kids with a few cars or travel across the country. Plus the electric system won't support everyone having a electric car. If you want to buy one fine but don't try to force everyone to buy one. Also where does the electricity come from? natural gas, coal it is not free of pollution's and is not free. DON~~~
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At current charge rates, a 20% to 80% charge is about half an hour. I’m sure that will drop as battery tech becomes more well known. 

Not gonna buy an Electric car, and I’m a huge fan of contained explosions, but they’re closing the gulf quickly to gasoline.

 
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Yes. Gasoline is more energy dense. However, you can’t reuse the gasoline a couple  thousand times by plugging it in. You have to refill it with more gasoline (yes, I’m aware a significant percentage of electricity is made by fossil fuel)

Batteries are made of small cells, so they can be arranged to use otherwise unused space (like the floor of a car). This also puts the weight low in the car.

Again, I don’t think EVs are currently worth it, but they’re not far off anymore either. 

 
he dosent get into the fact electric motors are smaller and lighter than a engine trans and axel combo. so the added weight from the battery is really not a problem

 
I dig the tech. I think plug in hybrids are great choices for the here and now if the here and now sold them at MSRP and there were some available for purchase. Pricing is good, you can run about on pure EV if you have short commutes but don't have to fear range anxiety because the gas engine kicks in when needed. Plug it in when at home or at a work charger or don't ever plug it in. 

  The biggest hurdle for pure EV's is the cost of the batteries. You pay a lot up front. When you get to the end of the batteries life, the vehicle is essentially a throwaway because a new battery costs as much as the residual value of the vehicle. Cells/modules can be changed out, sure, but because the vehicles aren't built for easy battery maintenance, it won't get done except for a few true believers. 

  That's one plus of the plug in hybrids. The hybrid batteries are much less expensive yet for the right user, can give a large part of the utility that a full EV can give. 

 
I got stuck overnight in Frisco, CO back in April. It snowed pretty good and they couldn't get a crane up through Eisenhower to unload me until the next day. I had dinner at a local restaurant and this couple came in shortly after I did and sat at the booth behind me. They spent at least 40 minutes going on about their EV. Maybe longer but I left before them. They sounded really stressed about traveling and getting to places to charge and trying to estimate battery usage going up steep inclines and stuff. They were like really bitter and bickering about all the little details involved. It was all they talked about the entire time. I couldn't help but overhear them, the place was pretty quiet. It sounded like that EV had literally taken over their lives and not in a good way. I kinda felt bad for them. It didn't sound like they were enjoying their trip at all.

 
Rorschach said:
I got stuck overnight in Frisco, CO back in April. It snowed pretty good and they couldn't get a crane up through Eisenhower to unload me until the next day. I had dinner at a local restaurant and this couple came in shortly after I did and sat at the booth behind me. They spent at least 40 minutes going on about their EV. Maybe longer but I left before them. They sounded really stressed about traveling and getting to places to charge and trying to estimate battery usage going up steep inclines and stuff. They were like really bitter and bickering about all the little details involved. It was all they talked about the entire time. I couldn't help but overhear them, the place was pretty quiet. It sounded like that EV had literally taken over their lives and not in a good way. I kinda felt bad for them. It didn't sound like they were enjoying their trip at all.
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Their car sucks, LOL.  Most are pretty good at mapping out a trip, or you can map one out on a number of websites out there.

But, people also don't understand how literally ANYTHING works, they just think to push a button and go somewhere, and don't understand that cranking the heater results in reduced range, or driving 95mph up a hill saps range, or a number of other things.  These people should not attempt to road trip their E car, and instead should just rent something.  The duner equivalent are the buddies you might have who you know for a fact should not own a long travel buggy because you'll end up fixing everything for them.

 
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EV's have a place and a function.

If you have a place to park and charge it along with a commute that is like 30 miles each way it is a perfect means of transportation to do that.  Plus you must have a real car.  My boss just got one  for his wife. She drives to the Store, gym and to the office then home. They can take it when they drive to their kids houses that are like a 45 minute drive.  By his math the extra money they spent on the car they will save in gas and typical ICE maintenance. The time she would spend at the gas station will pay for the electricity used.

They also have multiple cars. The EV is just the grocery getting run to the gym one.

Forcing everyone to fit in the same box of having one is about as smart as forcing everyone to get a covid vaccine and it is going to go over about just as well.  

 
Rorschach said:
I got stuck overnight in Frisco, CO back in April. It snowed pretty good and they couldn't get a crane up through Eisenhower to unload me until the next day. I had dinner at a local restaurant and this couple came in shortly after I did and sat at the booth behind me. They spent at least 40 minutes going on about their EV. Maybe longer but I left before them. They sounded really stressed about traveling and getting to places to charge and trying to estimate battery usage going up steep inclines and stuff. They were like really bitter and bickering about all the little details involved. It was all they talked about the entire time. I couldn't help but overhear them, the place was pretty quiet. It sounded like that EV had literally taken over their lives and not in a good way. I kinda felt bad for them. It didn't sound like they were enjoying their trip at all.
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Also the fact that batteries drain faster in cold than they do at normal 70 degree temps.  Drive from LA to Phoenix and let me know how many EV's you see..............none.  If you buy one, you will need another vehicle for road trips over 2 hours.

 
Cookie said:
Also the fact that batteries drain faster in cold than they do at normal 70 degree temps.  Drive from LA to Phoenix and let me know how many EV's you see..............none.  If you buy one, you will need another vehicle for road trips over 2 hours.
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I have seen a few. Hell the Carl's Jr in Quartzite has like 6 Tesla charging stations in the parking lot. Have a burger and get a charge while you eat.  Can't say how many is the most number of cars I have seen sitting there but I have seen some. 

 
MWB said:
I have seen a few. Hell the Carl's Jr in Quartzite has like 6 Tesla charging stations in the parking lot. Have a burger and get a charge while you eat.  Can't say how many is the most number of cars I have seen sitting there but I have seen some. 
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my bad, I am still too young to stop in Quartzite :classic_blink:

 
MWB said:
I have seen a few. Hell the Carl's Jr in Quartzite has like 6 Tesla charging stations in the parking lot. Have a burger and get a charge while you eat.  Can't say how many is the most number of cars I have seen sitting there but I have seen some. 
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Yeah, Tesla "super" charging stations are popping up everywhere.  There is one at the mall in Manhattan Beach that looks like a Tesla dealership most days.  Hermsosa Beach has one.  Today at the Rosecrans / PCH stoplight (one of the most busy intersections in the South Bay), there were about a dozen cars in front of me when I pulled in going west on Rosecrans.  5 of the cars were Teslas . . .

 
A Camry is probably 500+ lbs lighter than a Model 3 with the "350 mile" battery, and probably gets close to 500 miles range, and can refuel in the time it takes to take a whizz.

 
I am currently in the market for a new Honda Accord.  A hybrid version gets 47 city /48 hwy and gas version gets 30 city /38 hwy so I took a peak at the hybrid.  One major problem is the battery itself.  The Honda hybrid battery life expectancy is warrantied for up to 8 years or up to 100,000 miles and cost to replace is north of $14,000.

 
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