New Kawi 250hp Supercharged SXS

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If this guy is correct, it's a band-aid repair. New moveable sheave, a scatter shield, and re-flash the ECM, which I'm betting means lower RPM rev limiter...

 
i dont think the programming is to lower rpm it will be some strategy to maybe turn on a limp home mode sooner with clutch slippage or something like that
 
Heard from my dealer yesterday letting me know that my recall parts have been ordered. I asked him directly about the ECU programing and he said that it was not lowering the hp but to limit the throttle response when using 2 foot driving (on the gas and brakes at the same time). He said that Kawasaki determined that was part of the problem? I really don't care what the cause is, I just want them to fix it! I'm tired of looking at it sitting in my garage being so clean!!
 
b1stin said:
Heard from my dealer yesterday letting me know that my recall parts have been ordered. I asked him directly about the ECU programing and he said that it was not lowering the hp but to limit the throttle response when using 2 foot driving (on the gas and brakes at the same time). He said that Kawasaki determined that was part of the problem? I really don't care what the cause is, I just want them to fix it! I'm tired of looking at it sitting in my garage being so clean!!
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Correct I was told the reflash was to kill the throttle response when on the brakes.

Not sure why or how they think that contributed to the clutch failures though. One video I was was a company that balances CVT and other engine parts. Even H2 clutch was significantly (several grams) out of balance, and they believed that was a factor on the failures. Another shows when you took the clutch top plat off the 6 posts spread making it very difficult to line up and bolt the top plate back on. I think the failures were due to multiple factors.

I just wished the secondary was improved along with the primary, is I think the design sucks, but it seems to be the clutch that’s creating more heat and has no way to move air or dissipate heat.
 
NIKAL said:
Correct I was told the reflash was to kill the throttle response when on the brakes.

Not sure why or how they think that contributed to the clutch failures though. One video I was was a company that balances CVT and other engine parts. Even H2 clutch was significantly (several grams) out of balance, and they believed that was a factor on the failures. Another shows when you took the clutch top plat off the 6 posts spread making it very difficult to line up and bolt the top plate back on. I think the failures were due to multiple factors.

I just wished the secondary was improved along with the primary, is I think the design sucks, but it seems to be the clutch that’s creating more heat and has no way to move air or dissipate heat.
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regardless, you have a huge company behind you that will make it right--"Japanese right", no questions asked, you will not have to go buy a $12,000 clutch because they cant make it work just so you can drive what you paid for

I'm looking forward to the 2 seater!
 
John@Outfront said:
regardless, you have a huge company behind you that will make it right--"Japanese right", no questions asked, you will not have to go buy a $12,000 clutch because they cant make it work just so you can drive what you paid for

I'm looking forward to the 2 seater!
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💯 right.
 
John@Outfront said:
i dont think the programming is to lower rpm it will be some strategy to maybe turn on a limp home mode sooner with clutch slippage or something like that
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They are removing the ability to two foot drive the H2, which might be causing belt slippage. Most UTVs do not allow two foot driving (power braking).
 
NIKAL said:
Correct I was told the reflash was to kill the throttle response when on the brakes.

Not sure why or how they think that contributed to the clutch failures though. One video I was was a company that balances CVT and other engine parts. Even H2 clutch was significantly (several grams) out of balance, and they believed that was a factor on the failures. Another shows when you took the clutch top plat off the 6 posts spread making it very difficult to line up and bolt the top plate back on. I think the failures were due to multiple factors.

I just wished the secondary was improved along with the primary, is I think the design sucks, but it seems to be the clutch that’s creating more heat and has no way to move air or dissipate heat.
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I can say my towers on the spider were flexing and not allowing the spider to run straight up and down. I did not notice this until more recently when I saw the unusually wear marks on the clutch when I was out driving in Barstow. I think this flex in the primary was putting the belt out of alignment and causing the secondary to heat up and belt slippage. It was more so in the dunes due to the on/off of the gas more versus a more steady throttle in the desert.

I would of like to see a new secondary from Kawi, but they apparently did not think it was needed.

The fix does address the issue with the primary clutch and I like that they have a scatter shield on the clutch cover to prevent it from breaking when a belt goes. Also like they put a guard around the voltage regulator.

I will get the fix installed and see who it does. If I don't think it is enough I will looking a KWI or Tapp secondary.
 
Sand Shark said:
I can say my towers on the spider were flexing and not allowing the spider to run straight up and down. I did not notice this until more recently when I saw the unusually wear marks on the clutch when I was out driving in Barstow. I think this flex in the primary was putting the belt out of alignment and causing the secondary to heat up and belt slippage. It was more so in the dunes due to the on/off of the gas more versus a more steady throttle in the desert.

I would of like to see a new secondary from Kawi, but they apparently did not think it was needed.

The fix does address the issue with the primary clutch and I like that they have a scatter shield on the clutch cover to prevent it from breaking when a belt goes. Also like they put a guard around the voltage regulator.

I will get the fix installed and see who it does. If I don't think it is enough I will looking a KWI or Tapp secondary.
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I hope the new cover is made of a better not so brittle plastic material.

I also wonder why they think the fix needs a scatter shield? Do they think the fix is not really the fix? Not one of brand has this and in a way it does not instill confidence that they actually made a better product, just more CYA parts for liability on there end. I’m hope I’m totally wrong and maybe it was for legal purposes. But when Polaris was exploding CVT’s they did not add a scatter shield, they resolved the clutching so a scatter shield was not necessary.
 
NIKAL said:
I hope the new cover is made of a better not so brittle plastic material.

I also wonder why they think the fix needs a scatter shield? Do they think the fix is not really the fix? Not one of brand has this and in a way it does not instill confidence that they actually made a better product, just more CYA parts for liability on there end. I’m hope I’m totally wrong and maybe it was for legal purposes. But when Polaris was exploding CVT’s they did not add a scatter shield, they resolved the clutching so a scatter shield was not necessary.
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I don’t think it shows weakness. I’d rather have both a scatter shield and a better clutch. I have not lost a belt yet on my can am but when I do I’ll be glad I had a shield
 

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NIKAL said:
I hope the new cover is made of a better not so brittle plastic material.

I also wonder why they think the fix needs a scatter shield? Do they think the fix is not really the fix? Not one of brand has this and in a way it does not instill confidence that they actually made a better product, just more CYA parts for liability on there end. I’m hope I’m totally wrong and maybe it was for legal purposes. But when Polaris was exploding CVT’s they did not add a scatter shield, they resolved the clutching so a scatter shield was not necessary.
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I wish Can Am put one on the clutch cover. It would of saved me from replacing the inner clutch cover a few times. I ended up getting clutch cover shields on both my Can Ams.

I think it was smart of Kawi to include that scatter shield on the clutch cover. Prevents the clutch cover from getting broken and stop any flying objects from going into the firewall.

I think it is a fix for the primary clutch issues, not sure if this will be a fix for the secondary heating up. Perhaps my secondary getting super hot was due to a poorly operating primary. I will find out once I get the fix installed and able to test it.
 
John@Outfront said:
I don’t think it shows weakness. I’d rather have both a scatter shield and a better clutch. I have not lost a belt yet on my can am but when I do I’ll be glad I had a shield
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You will be very happy you have it.
 
John@Outfront said:
I don’t think it shows weakness. I’d rather have both a scatter shield and a better clutch. I have not lost a belt yet on my can am but when I do I’ll be glad I had a shield
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Sand Shark said:
I wish Can Am put one on the clutch cover. It would of saved me from replacing the inner clutch cover a few times. I ended up getting clutch cover shields on both my Can Ams.

I think it was smart of Kawi to include that scatter shield on the clutch cover. Prevents the clutch cover from getting broken and stop any flying objects from going into the firewall.

I think it is a fix for the primary clutch issues, not sure if this will be a fix for the secondary heating up. Perhaps my secondary getting super hot was due to a poorly operating primary. I will find out once I get the fix installed and able to test it.
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Looking at the Kawasaki recall repair kit pictures, the shields they are implementing are not to keep the belt from damaging the CVT cover from the inside. Looking at it it looks like the shields are designed to keep or slow the possibility of primary clutch failure debris from striking the body work or components like the regulator or wiring harness and to minimize the potential damage if it was to fail. Nothing in the kit from what I can see looks like the clutch cover stainless liners like you would put in a X3 inner clutch cover. I’m not even sure where part #3 exactly mounts. I’m thinking it’s on the exterior of the CVT cover maybe?

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NIKAL said:
Looking at the Kawasaki recall repair kit pictures, the shields they are implementing are not to keep the belt from damaging the CVT cover from the inside. Looking at it it looks like the shields are designed to keep or slow the possibility of primary clutch failure debris from striking the body work or components like the regulator or wiring harness and to minimize the potential damage if it was to fail. Nothing in the kit from what I can see looks like the clutch cover stainless liners like you would put in a X3 inner clutch cover. I’m not even sure where part #3 exactly mounts. I’m thinking it’s on the exterior of the CVT cover maybe?

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I will let you know once I get my car to the dealer for the install. Part 3 lines up with the bolt holes for the clutch cover and 4 additional holes added to the cover. Perhaps it is a combo of exterior and interior shielding.
 
Called the dealer this morning and they are ordering the parts. Once those come in I will schedule an appointment. @NIKAL the service manager thinks that clutch shield goes on the outside of the clutch cover. He was not 100% positive.
 
Sand Shark said:
Called the dealer this morning and they are ordering the parts. Once those come in I will schedule an appointment. @NIKAL the service manager thinks that clutch shield goes on the outside of the clutch cover. He was not 100% positive.
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That’s what I suspected by looking at the parts drawings. No way it’s going inside as you would need more inner cover clearance, it will disrupt air flow within the cover, and you’d still have to get the belt to get around the shield. So no way it’s going inside the cover.

My thought is if you need to change a belt, your going to remove the CVT cover bolts which will also remove the exterior primary shield and the small rear heat shield.

My guess is no one is going to keep these shields on as the will be a PITA, but at that point Kawasaki is released of liability if the consumer chooses to remove and not run the shields.

Again I think Kawasaki needs to focus on building a better clutch that does not explode, and better cover that does not disintegrate when a belt lets go, and not so much on the external shields in case of catastrophic failure. No other brand has had to build external scatter shields, even after their own clutch issues. But I get it’s a liability thing and their legal team is telling them to do it. That’s probably 95% of the reason they are building the shields in the first place.
 
RPM released an auxiliary fuel tank for the H2. 6.8 gallons to go with the 14.8 gallon stock tank is a lot of fuel. For the E-85 guys this will be great for the dunes and the long desert ride people it will get you a long way (I would be

Fits under the rear passenger seat and looks like nice set up.

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RPM Kawasaki Teryx H2 6.8 Gallon Auxiliary Fuel Tank – Extended Range Drop In Kit

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