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KLCs up and coming new 4 seater
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lincster
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I used to dune with Terry and John, when Terry had his yellow car and John had the Ricochet.
We should all hook up in the future and go for some runs.
Tell them Linc said Hi.
We should all hook up in the future and go for some runs.
Tell them Linc said Hi.
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For sure. We almost always go to Gordons. We made a few trips to Glamis but we didn’t care for the crowds. To many close calls when running swiftly.
Terrys old yellow car now belongs to his buddy Michael. It’s disassembled for a rebuild right now.
The chassis is going to come down off of the shelf soon for some more progress, unfortunately KLC's fab guy has been SLAMMED busy so not much to report. sorry guys!
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Well it’s been a while with zero progress but Eric is back on it for now. Got a few more pieces of tubing put in and he has the prototypes for the doors loosely installed. He is still working out some of the details with the hinges and inside door handles so only time will tell what he does with it. Interestingly enough I’m largely out of the loop when it comes to design and integration of it all. I only see what he has done when I go over to see him once in a while. Needless to say there is the utmost level of trust between us, we used to dune together when we first started out, now Eric is absent from the dune scene and is focusing on his business 100% of the time. He sneaks in a ride with us once in a while, hopefully one day he will get back out there again.
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I want to post something that I don’t say often enough that relates to my dear wife. She has been wonderful throughout these trips down the rabbit hole, trips that 100% of the time go way over budget with what I had told her it would cost. She puts up with a lot of crap from me but I couldn’t do it without her. Thank you for your support I love you!!!
Cant wait to get to use these new TripleX seats we had made like over a year ago that are still sitting in the corner of a bedroom lol.
Cant wait to get to use these new TripleX seats we had made like over a year ago that are still sitting in the corner of a bedroom lol.
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dbart
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Dang this car is going to be EPIC!
Those welds... :drool:
Congrats and thanks for the updates!
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Those welds... :drool:
Congrats and thanks for the updates!
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Very Nice!
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The time has come to retire our current car and get the new frame all set up to receive the engine/trans and the rest of the parts that will be transferred over. Yesterday we pulled the engine/trans out and now I have to disassemble it. Eric specifically needs the rear trailing arms so he can get the tabs welded onto the pivot tube. There was much discussion and measurements taken to get the trans at the right height in the chassis to get as much droop travel as possible, and at the same time keeping the cv angles at a modest number so they can live a long life. We're going to be reusing the Tatum 930 midboards we use currently, the 300m stars and cages have proven themselves reliable enough already. There is no more room in the budget for a $6000 upgrade to 934 gear at this point, we will address that as the need arrises in the future.
Before we pulled the engine/trans out of our car yesterday we 4 corner scaled it, lets call it 2500lbs. We're expecting a 250lb increase in dry weight with the new 1 3/4 x .120 frame and bigger fuel tank. We now know that we will need to increse the front coil spring rate, something that was suspected a long time ago but never done.
Before we pulled the engine/trans out of our car yesterday we 4 corner scaled it, lets call it 2500lbs. We're expecting a 250lb increase in dry weight with the new 1 3/4 x .120 frame and bigger fuel tank. We now know that we will need to increse the front coil spring rate, something that was suspected a long time ago but never done.
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Heck yeahhh!! Get after it!
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Eric Emler has been working on the engine and trans placement. He wants the cv cups in line with the centerline of the arm pivots to maximize wheel travel, mostly to increase droop travel without going crazy with cv angle. This setup should yield us a very modest angle in the low teens at ride height and end up with less than 20 at full droop. It seems there’s always plenty of compression travel but has to be limited with straps on the droop to control the cv angle. The engine and trans is a full 3” lower in the chassis than it used to be so it should be right on the money, the lower center of mass should help with body roll as well. It’ll get a sway bar anyways. Nothing protrudes beyond the tubing so the skid plate will sit nice and flush with the cage.
Im going to continue to use my 930 gear, I’ve had great luck with the Fortin 300m parts. If and when it becomes a problem I’ll make the swap over to 934 outboard hubs. However I can buy a lot of $90 stars before a set of $10k outboard hubs becomes attractive.
The 21 gallon fuel cell has plenty of room. That’ll come in handy on long runs. I need to figure out how to cut a hole in the bladder and install a fuel level sensor. But I’ve got plenty of time to worry about that.
More to come as it happens.
Im going to continue to use my 930 gear, I’ve had great luck with the Fortin 300m parts. If and when it becomes a problem I’ll make the swap over to 934 outboard hubs. However I can buy a lot of $90 stars before a set of $10k outboard hubs becomes attractive.
The 21 gallon fuel cell has plenty of room. That’ll come in handy on long runs. I need to figure out how to cut a hole in the bladder and install a fuel level sensor. But I’ve got plenty of time to worry about that.
More to come as it happens.
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Great build, very nice
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Wow... some people got skills.....
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Been working (not me of course) on the rear setup. We are working under the umbrella of existing parts, that means arms, CVs, axles and 14/16" shocks. It took a while to get everything just right but I think it's there now. I picked up the rear springs yesterday from Denny at Foddrills in Glendale, Az., my go to place for most parts. Denny is a smart guy who's been in the off road business for a very long time and he knows his stuff. Kartek is a good place too but they're not local to me in Phoenix.
The existing shock mounts on the arms were originally made to accommodate some geometry that was already built into our existing frame, these mounts have been removed now because the upper mounts are not built yet. Believe me when I say it is a mathematical challenge to get all of the angles and positions of shocks just right so that you end up with the correct cv angle, maximum amount of wheel travel and not have shocks exceed the magical 90 degree angle at full compression (ever see shock shafts bent from poor geometry?). He did push the mounts on the arms a bit further forward to get some more wheel travel but not by much. There's only so much travel from a 14/16 shock combo, although we did upgrade to 2.5 coil overs now, new bypasses were not in the budget at all. In the end it will meet our performance goals.
The existing shock mounts on the arms were originally made to accommodate some geometry that was already built into our existing frame, these mounts have been removed now because the upper mounts are not built yet. Believe me when I say it is a mathematical challenge to get all of the angles and positions of shocks just right so that you end up with the correct cv angle, maximum amount of wheel travel and not have shocks exceed the magical 90 degree angle at full compression (ever see shock shafts bent from poor geometry?). He did push the mounts on the arms a bit further forward to get some more wheel travel but not by much. There's only so much travel from a 14/16 shock combo, although we did upgrade to 2.5 coil overs now, new bypasses were not in the budget at all. In the end it will meet our performance goals.
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