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I've bought all 3 for a fairly large drilling company, about 50 a year.  they all tow heavy fairly often. they all have issues!

in 2013-15 we went with Ram 2500 and 3500's the engines were unstoppable. the 3500's with the aisin powertrain were the best until about 150k miles everything around the engines fell apart, transfer cases broke and sent driveshafts into the floor board.  front ends were rebuilt about every 50k and interiors are junk..

16-17 went back to Ford. those chassis/interiors held up better, but the engines and front ends had several issues, had several 6.7 issues similar to the old ford days, head gaskets/EGR/and emission issues. death wobble on some of them before 20k miles.  one thing I will say on the ford, the dealer support is much better than the Dodge and Chevy.    

18-20 went with Chevy/GMC. and actually bought some gas engines. guys like the trucks comfort wise, but we have the same front end issues often, several rear axle problems (recall) and some trans issues. no real engine issues to speak of on the gas or diesels. we still run some of these trucks.

20-current, i'm getting what I can from whoever has the trucks available. I'm trying to buy only gas engines now as maintenance costs on the gas fleet vs the diesel fleet averages 7k less over the 2 year period before we sell them.  believe it or not the towing ability on the new gas engines are good,  you just have to get used to hearing them run at 3500-4000 RPM for long periods of time when going up hills, The new 6-10 speed transmissions really help the gassers tow. Fuel cost is about the same between both. 

If I buy another truck for me, likely going to go with either a Chevy w the 6.6 gas or the Ford with the 7.3 gas... will come down to price.  

 
Really good Info. BTW.....I hate buying vehicles. Car Dealers SUCK! I'd rather get in a 5 car (SXS) pile up! Peace

 
Never owned a Dodge Tho. Done Chevy and Ford's. Even INTL trucks. Never a Dodge. Peace
i have a friend who ran a fleet of fords. spent over 1 mil in 2-3 years of buying company trucks. he switched them all to dodge and never looked back.

he swears by them now and he was a die hard ford guy from mid 90's

 
What do you have for company trucks? You might go with what you know. DON~~~

 
Order a ‘23 super duty with the high output 10 speed trans and plenty all the torque. Have a ‘22 and love it. If I could have held out another year I’d custom order and avoid the ADM fees

 
What do you have for company trucks? You might go with what you know. DON~~~


I've got Three (3) F-550 Fords and One (1) 2-ton INTL. Went to the Dodge dealer yesterday to test drive the 3500 they had in stock. They have ALL diesels on NO SALE list. Apparently there is an issue in the transmission that has every Dodge Diesel on RECALL. Well that sucks! Peace  

 
The gas version gets the new 10 spd trans as well...I may be looking at that when they come out.


I don't have that time dbart. There is also another reason behind my madness......Pay Biden or Buy a Company Truck. What choice would you make? Peace

 
I've got Three (3) F-550 Fords and One (1) 2-ton INTL. Went to the Dodge dealer yesterday to test drive the 3500 they had in stock. They have ALL diesels on NO SALE list. Apparently there is an issue in the transmission that has every Dodge Diesel on RECALL. Well that sucks! Peace  
The issue is only 68RFE trucks. Buy a 3500 with HO Cummins and Aisin.  Open the hood  and if the trans dipstick is on the left(driver's) side it's an Aisin trans. 

And I will echo the prior post about avoiding CP4 trucks. Ford is the only one still running them. Ram foolishly tried it in 2019 and 2020 and learned their lesson. They are back to the reliable CP3. GM dumped it when the L5P came out in 2017(?) and are running  Denso HP4, which is conspicuously similar to the CP3. Not a fan of the OEM fuel filtration on the L5P, though.

 
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Unable to edit my post above. I meant to say "If you go with a Ram, buy a 3500 with Cummins HO and Aisin".

Also, I have a buddy near New Braunfels, and he has had very good luck with Bluebonnet Dodge.

 
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Have a 2020 Chevy 3500 Duramax runs well pulls great is very comfortable, down side is fuel mileage is really not that good when towing, and I bought it to tow go figure. If I had to do it over again I still would buy the GM product. We run Fords at work and I like my Chevy better.

 
Have a 2020 Chevy 3500 Duramax runs well pulls great is very comfortable, down side is fuel mileage is really not that good when towing, and I bought it to tow go figure. If I had to do it over again I still would buy the GM product. We run Fords at work and I like my Chevy better.


Called my GM guy. He has NO TRUCKS like the one I want. He's going to take the entire month off because of stock problems. Gotta be something somewhere. Peace

 
I've got Three (3) F-550 Fords and One (1) 2-ton INTL. Went to the Dodge dealer yesterday to test drive the 3500 they had in stock. They have ALL diesels on NO SALE list. Apparently there is an issue in the transmission that has every Dodge Diesel on RECALL. Well that sucks! Peace  
Current diesel emissions snuff the reliability and fuel economy out of oil-burners.  Ford 7.3 gas is currently the $/mile king for us, my guys are seeing 11-12mpg ish with a service bed.   14-15mpg with the same truck burning oil, but since diesel is 50% more per gallon everywhere the gas is more $ efficient and waaaaaay cheaper to maintain. No worries about contaminated fuel either.

The issue is only 68RFE trucks. Buy a 3500 with HO Cummins and Aisin.  Open the hood  and if the trans dipstick is on the left(driver's) side it's an Aisin trans. 

And I will echo the prior post about avoiding CP4 trucks. Ford is the only one still running them. Ram foolishly tried it in 2019 and 2020 and learned their lesson. They are back to the reliable CP3. GM dumped it when the L5P came out in 2017(?) and are running  Denso HP4, which is conspicuously similar to the CP3. Not a fan of the OEM fuel filtration on the L5P, though.
68RFE is the fire issue from a leaking dipstick.  Aisin has an ECU issue I believe.  @Deviantduner just had his trans replaced under warranty, and there are a bunch there for the same.  Apparently some capacitor or whatever is causing them to fail.

 
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Called my GM guy. He has NO TRUCKS like the one I want. He's going to take the entire month off because of stock problems. Gotta be something somewhere. Peace
Nobody has trucks.  The STATE of Arizona is only allotted 48 F550 in the configuration we use them 2023, which is a very standard wheel base.  We need 14 of them.  The company we partner with to get price breaks will typically do over 200 a year!

 
Nobody has trucks.  The STATE of Arizona is only allotted 48 F550 in the configuration we use them 2023, which is a very standard wheel base.  We need 14 of them.  The company we partner with to get price breaks will typically do over 200 a year!


Just talked to a Ford dealer who had an ordered truck arrive and the customer doesn't want it. F350 King Ranch. $89K. WTF??!! Then he says "we sell over MSRP." Unless you want to order one we'll sell at MSRP. My reply "Isn't that an order truck? EFFN car salesman. Hate Em. Told him to take a hike. I'm sure I'll hear back from him. Peace

 
People have Duallys. Do ya give into a Dually?? Peace

 
Current diesel emissions snuff the reliability and fuel economy out of oil-burners.  Ford 7.3 gas is currently the $/mile king for us, my guys are seeing 11-12mpg ish with a service bed.   14-15mpg with the same truck burning oil, but since diesel is 50% more per gallon everywhere the gas is more $ efficient and waaaaaay cheaper to maintain. No worries about contaminated fuel either.

68RFE is the fire issue from a leaking dipstick.  Aisin has an ECU issue I believe.  @Deviantduner just had his trans replaced under warranty, and there are a bunch there for the same.  Apparently some capacitor or whatever is causing them to fail.
The ECU issue was certain engine serial numbers, and was not specific to SO/68RFE, or HO/ Aisin. It was pretty limited in scope model by model.  Less than 2,000 3500 pickups, IIRC, plus 2500 and Cab & Chassis trucks as ESN dictates.

 
when i was down in dallas a month ago, i was floored by all the vehicles at dealerships, seemed like they are all packed full. come home to okla and half of them are 1/4 full at best. has to be someone somehwere with a truck for sale.

there's some deals to be had, just have to be quick. especially on marketplace

 
People have Duallys. Do ya give into a Dually?? Peace
Girls with wide hips are made for breeding just like trucks with big hips are made for towing.  If that is all you do go for it.  If you plan on taking it to the Home Depot and plan on going thru the drive thru regularly or want to park it in the golf course parking lot in the close parking spots it's going to feel like you are driving the motorhome after a while.

 
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