CFMOTO new sport machine the Z Force Z10

[SxS]

Ok since I posted the inner cooler patent pictures, how about this? Looks like CFMOTO will also be getting into the closed cab overlanding type vehicle like what Polaris did with the Xpedition series.

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Looking at this picture it definitely looks like what Polaris is doing making a full enclosed cab. The air filter location leads me to believe this will have the 3 cylinder engine, but I’d assume probably not Turbo’ed? Also the rear suspension throws an interesting twist into it, if the patent drawing is fully accurate?

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Also here’s a drawing showing the cooling pack which looks to have a condenser infront of the radiator. This would also confirm a closed cab vehicle is probably coming at some point.

Can't remember where I saw it and I could be wrong yet someone posted long range photos of this car sitting next to some other CF models. One was in a parking lott and the other was out in the boonies somewhere next to some other models.

 

[SxS]

What are you talking about with using Speaker & mirror vendors to show the car off?

Weren't you at the Sand Show? Who were the only two people displaying those two cars and what were they promoting for that car?

For one it sounded like CFMOTO was not planning on being at the show this year.

Wellllll ....they were there, soooo....what's your point?

Two both the Speaker & Mirror company will be “Factory” options you can buy with your car.

I thought that you did not understand above what I was talking about?

After the unveiling of the car, they asked these two partnered vendors if they would like to show a car in each booth.

Again...you ask me what I'm talking about...and then you repeat (wait for it) ....exactly what I'm talking about.

It was very low key and sort of last minute, as I know when a car was delivered to one of the vendors. Dont try to over analyze it.

Who cares what the details were of those cars arriving at the show or if "very low key" was anyone's goal or that the 'vibe' is somehow relevant (which it is obviously not). Who is "over analyzing" what exactly here?

I’m confused as what you’re talking about wanting to see another frame? It’s the same Z10 frame. The picture is to illustrate the inner cooler mounting within the chassis for the patent.

Hey, if it's the same frame...why not just settle down a bit and simply tell us that it indeed is sans the attitude(???) Revealing that we will receive 212 HP in their 2nd 64" car is simply going to kill sales of the first Z10 at its uber cheap price point before it's even released. You are insisting that the frame is identical only confirms that none of us should buy in at 143 HP and simply wait for who knows what other upgrades will be coming for our 64" width needs at 212HP (bone stock) for likely not much more money spent. Thank you for putting that important decision to rest for many of us who have deposits down already.

Just to clarify again. There is only one chassis for the Z10. Currently it comes at 64 inches wide with a turbo & no inner cooler. I was told the chassis was designed to fit wider suspension components for possible future versions of the Z10.

Now we all know that this is extremely unlikely out to 72" or beyond regarding any significant part for part comparison. If so, competitors are going to have an absolute field day over what you have just claimed. If a 'one frame for all' mandate to design engineers was made 3 1/2 years ago then compromises galore are sure to follow given the one-size-fits-all drawing above alone. And yes, I do realize that this is what you were told (period).
Big decisions now for potential CF customers given this new information. The stand alone design direction which both Polaris and CanAm have embraced in their premium cars might just be a deal breaker for those ever thinking of waiting to see what CF reveals (when?) in the premium segment. I don't see how CF keeps that cat in the bag for long. Either they start proving that a 'single frame for all/belt only' strategy is the next best thing (fast) or they subject themselves to the obvious given zero assurances that this is indeed not the hill that they choose to fight on.

From the patent pictures it looks like they are preparing for a future version to have an inner cooler, which leads everyone to know they will be turning up the boost and creating more HP in the future.

Big deal. More Power. 'Yay'.
How that power gets put to the ground in the pony range that their Big Boy competitors are playing in currently is the question (now) given your latest info. I cannot imagine a one-size-fits-all frame winning that upcoming design let alone real world testing fight in my lifetime or ever.

Try not to make this any more complicated then it is.

I would offer that you suggest to CF that they (yesterday) make things more complicated by teasing something...anything...other than the two Z10 drawings offered above being somehow interchangeable for their future much wider premium performance offerings.
No complications here as some of us can afford to wait on one of those first delivered cars until April(?)..keep it/sell it..and/or make certain that we're not missing something if CF jumps to the wider model while simply throwing more HP at this one.

 

[SxS]

To me, all of this just adds more intrigue to ever predicting any direction that CF might go with these more premium cars.
I think a lot of us assume (right or wrong) that they will not innovate drive or motor-wise in any shocking manner given their first foray in to obviously keeping the price low.
Conversely, if they can somehow keep the same frame in these higher end cars while improving overall suspension geometry or material/parts design/function (which I'm frankly doubting) then who knows if either combined or alone will be enough to dethrone the top 2 currently...which truly are pretty darn nice cars.

 

[Crusty]

All their previous models have a 5 year factory warranty, were these new models going to have the same?

All reviews I have ever seen on them were 50/50 - worked perfect or lemons with no parts available to dealers.

Anyone here ever own one?

 

[SxS]

I thought that they said 1 year but could be wrong.
We might need to keep in mind that this machine is a different monster engineered differently than any other CF product previous by seasoned former competitors working to create something unique.
We'll also be looking at what the new factory in Mexico looks like technology-wise, what comes out of it and how the next U.S. president deals with China playing a much more direct role in shuttling high dollar products through this route.

 

[SxS]

A few comments on this release:
1) Not a single person will admit to having a deposit down on either of these cars.
2) Ditto for anyone being curious enough to confirm that at least some dealers are claiming that they cannot even order one today or at anytime this month or next..
3) Even more bizarre is the refusal by anyone to refute recent claims that they indeed will be delivered before the end of the year.

Now I wouldn't want to accuse anyone of being a proud member of the same 'cliques' that we all witness in our daily work lives and especially play..but how does this car stand released for how many weeks (going on months) now...with every single person on the internet acting as if they have never talked to anyone concerning this car...save for but one person having zero problem with end delivery promises in general?

This release is apparently the SPEED fiasco turned on its head and stuffed down Alice's rabbit hole.

Chapter I: Down the Rabbit-Hole | Alice's Adventures in Wonderland | Lewis Carroll | Lit2Go ETC

etc.usf.edu

 

[madweazl]

A few comments on this release:
1) Not a single person will admit to having a deposit down on either of these cars.
2) Ditto for anyone being curious enough to confirm that at least some dealers are claiming that they cannot even order one today or at anytime this month or next..
3) Even more bizarre is the refusal by anyone to refute recent claims that they indeed will be delivered before the end of the year.

Now I wouldn't want to accuse anyone of being a proud member of the same 'cliques' that we all witness in our daily work lives and especially play..but how does this car stand released for how many weeks (going on months) now...with every single person on the internet acting as if they have never talked to anyone concerning this car...save for but one person having zero problem with end delivery promises in general?

This release is apparently the SPEED fiasco turned on its head and stuffed down Alice's rabbit hole.

Chapter I: Down the Rabbit-Hole | Alice's Adventures in Wonderland | Lewis Carroll | Lit2Go ETC

etc.usf.edu

I don't know what you're on, but I need some of it ASAP!

 

[SxS]

I see Ni

I don't know what you're on, but I need some of it ASAP!

I see the same guy laughing at your premise (NIKAL)...who just got through insisting that we would see the Z10 in showrooms by December.
I just got through talking to another CFMOTO dealer who insisted that he would not be able to even order a Z10 until after the first of the year with deliveries scheduled for many months later. I was also informed that orders are only allowed on pre-determined dates and that '6' is the magic number as of today.
It seems odd that every single time that these HUGE discrepancies are brought forward time and again by both depositors and multiple CFMOTO dealers...those simply questioning NIKAL's information are vilified to no end.
The question currently seems to be:
Who would benefit from misinformation being spread when CFMOTO's (cough) 'promises' are not (cough) 'kept' in the next two months...and why would literally everyone up on the forums (save for a few) feel the need to act so nastily to those simply seeking the truth?
My theory?
A whole lot of those who bet against CFMOTO are more than a little concerned about CFMOTO suddenly eating their lunch in both the near and long term.

 

[SxS]

...double down here, NIKAL..December deliveries of the Z10...or not so much???
How about CFMOTO dealer's ability to even order Z10s...when???

 

[SxS]

Also found a dealer charging just under $900 for everything plus tax for a Z10 at MSRP.
From what I was told, their markup on these cars is about what one would expect at this price point (not much).
This long stretch of time before delivery will build a lot of new business for smaller dealers.
Larger shops will be quoting ridiculous prep prices while they scoff and eat their lunches (slowly) one by one.

 

[NIKAL]

I can only tell you I was told when I asked when the Z10 would be coming out. I was told most likely Dec. Now what does that mean, I don’t know? Does that mean dealers orders go in the que, do cars start shipping in Dec, I don’t know? Just told you what I was told. I was also told they took orders at the show. Again what does that mean? Took verbal commitments? Took actual orders? Maybe select dealers get early ordering or preference? No idea? Maybe the date I was told is what engineering was expecting but marketing or manufacturing changed that date? Again I have no idea! Not sure why you’re so hung up on this issue with me though. You stated you put a deposit down on one, so that tells me dealers are taking orders from customers. Maybe have them reach out to CFMOTO and get more accurate information. I hope this helps you.

 

[SxS]

Now some other cool info. First off I forgot to
mention this Z10 should be available to purchase in December, and or January. They hoped to have it in dealers already, but a few small improvements like the improved CVT cover, and some of the texture patterns in the dash & door panels were fixed or improved, cause a slight delay.

I can only tell you I was told when I asked when the Z10 would be coming out. I was told most likely Dec. Now what does that mean, I don’t know? Does that mean dealers orders go in the que, do cars start shipping in Dec, I don’t know? Just told you what I was told. I was also told they took orders at the show. Again what does that mean? Took verbal commitments? Took actual orders? Maybe select dealers get early ordering or preference? No idea? Maybe the date I was told is what engineering was expecting but marketing or manufacturing changed that date? Again I have no idea! Not sure why you’re so hung up on this issue with me.

I just read exactly what you said (see above) and challenged both you and anyone else to make any real sense of it. I also gave you a pass at least once for you possibly being the victim of intentionally spread bullshit.
"...available to purchase in January or December" is just that. A car available to purchase.
"...hoped to have it in dealers already.."drives this first obvious lie (from CF) home.
Now I realize that this is all just me seeking to discover the truth here and that the curious/serious (could/should) for $20-23K care less whether this is the strangest release in major manufacturing (UTV) history...so please forgive me.

You stated you put a deposit down on one, so that tells me dealers are taking orders from customers

Any dealer taking a deposit has no obligation whatsoever to order anything at that given moment and you not only know this...but I have indicated same regarding every CFMOTO dealer that I have contacted more times than I can count in this thread.

.Maybe have them reach out to CFMOTO and get more accurate information.

Again, it appears that only certain individuals may helpfully spread the word regarding anything pertinent regarding this groundbreaking car.
They already have the order and delivery information and it is accurate (supposedly).
All I was looking for was one person to confirm what I am assuming that every other person was told across this entire country.
That these multiple answers from dealers were in direct conflict with what you clearly suggested above...again, my bad.

Did I mention that the last dealer contacted claimed January 2025 as his first possible order date for the Z10?
How much chaos does that ensure for those waking up/scrambling to get one of the few Z10s that will be released next spring...or possibly later?

 

[NIKAL]

I just read exactly what you said (see above) and challenged both you and anyone else to make any real sense of it. I also gave you a pass at least once for you possibly being the victim of intentionally spread bullshit.
"...available to purchase in January or December" is just that. A car available to purchase.
"...hoped to have it in dealers already.."drives this first obvious lie (from CF) home.
Now I realize that this is all just me seeking to discover the truth here and that the curious/serious (could/should) for $20-23K care less whether this is the strangest release in major manufacturing (UTV) history...so please forgive me.

Any dealer taking a deposit has no obligation whatsoever to order anything at that given moment and you not only know this...but I have indicated same regarding every CFMOTO dealer that I have contacted more times than I can count in this thread.

Again, it appears that only certain individuals may helpfully spread the word regarding anything pertinent regarding this groundbreaking car.
They already have the order and delivery information and it is accurate (supposedly).
All I was looking for was one person to confirm what I am assuming that every other person was told across this entire country.
That these multiple answers from dealers were in direct conflict with what you clearly suggested above...again, my bad.

Did I mention that the last dealer contacted claimed January 2025 as his first possible order date for the Z10?
How much chaos does that ensure for those waking up/scrambling to get one of the few Z10s that will be released next spring...or possibly later?

You mentioned trying to get one person to confirm what everyone else was told. Who’s telling everyone else? Why not find that person?

Why don’t you just disregard everything I said as bullshit, and go talk to someone else. The only one that seems to be confused is you, so best to find someone else with more info. Maybe call CFMOTO and let them know you put a deposit down on a car with no approximate delivery date, abd you would like to know if they can tell you when they expect cars to be for sale.

 

[Hondajimz]

You must be a hit at parties .....

 

[SxS]

You mentioned trying to get one person to confirm what everyone else was told. Who’s telling everyone else?

Dealers...or those who inhabit forums spreading the exact opposite of what dealers are saying.

Why not find that person?

We all did by very simply contacting our local dealers...before believing those inhabiting forums...wait for it...spreading the exact opposite of what dealers are saying.

Why don’t you just disregard everything I said as bullshit, and go talk to someone else.

Believe it or not, you are not the only person on this forum. You are also not insulated from someone continuing to either affirm or correct anything that you have brought forward using multiple posts which you simply choose to ignore. Speaking of ignore...simply push the 'ignore' button after posting (which you evidently must do until posting again) or expect to be challenged using your own words

The only one that seems to be confused is you, so best to find someone else with more info

It appears that I have been bringing just as much news or more to the table regarding this new car as you..by sample calling a few dealers even talking to them in person.Y ou see, dealers are the actual people selling these cars and making promises. We all simply desire reliable information given the consequences of believing a December release vs March/April or later. Again, I gave you the chance to admit that your information may not be not reliable.
Instead, you chose to ignore me(us) and not disappoint the few guys on here piling on for some unknown reason concerning a groundbreaking car release.
We've witnessed this treatment elsewhere before in this past month or so likely involving some of the same individuals.

This car is obviously scaring the crap out of a whole lot of people in this industry.
The fact that I have had to ask the tough questions alone since launch and singularly speculate as to what that carnage might look like in the next few years testifies to the above.

. Maybe call CFMOTO and let them know you put a deposit down on a car with no approximate delivery date, abd you would like to know if they can tell you when they expect cars to be for sale.

You know what? Why don't you or someone else up here on the net find that number and the person authorized say.
Too busy here debunking what they won't be doing versus will.

 

[ROBERT L]

Some people just like to argue.

 

[SxS]

...and just for the xyz(ers) not necessarily understanding the above:
The 'tough' questions aren't those simply asked and then eagerly lapped up/accepted whether they make sense or not.
Most of the time in today's world...sorry xyz(ers)...it is the follow up question which really pisses the younger generations off...given that no one (today) likes to be questioned!!! (they simply are not used to being unlike baby boomers who constantly were).

If you still work anywhere and are older than the hills(?)...you see this every single day literally everywhere that you go.

 

[SxS]

Some people just like to argue.

If you're the moderator, simply put a stop to it...if you re not too busy sucking up to/protecting those who: 1) don't like to be questioned and 2) know that they can get away with crying about others who rightfully challenge whether the truth is being told or not.

It's your job if you're not more in to driving post count and/or traffic instead.

 

[megadesertdiesel]

We all get it you don't like the CF Moto way of releasing their new product. Its a free world to bitch and complain but know your audience. We too are on the consumer end and don't have any control. Thanks for giving us the heads up of how they do early business, but maybe post some other threads and help the community instead of just complaining all the time.

 

[Crusty]

Buyer beware on new models to the market, got it. In other news, it was recently discovered that water is wet.