Business owners where are you finding your employees?

we have been getting ours through head hunters.  some of them have pretty wide networks of folks.  The down side is cost.  I work for a company on the NYSE so we have 2 corporate head hunters that get paid via a corporate account.  Still its expensive to go this route.

A LOT of these folks are being poached away from other companies.  And a good number of them get poached away from us.  these are the "the grass is always greener" kind of folks.  Primarily we use this for "professionals", not assemblers and testers.  regardless of position or where we get them from, they all suck.  we have not had a "really good hire" in quite a while. 

 
zilla68 said:
funny you say that, i was at a trade show yesterday and was talking to a vendor friend of mine and he said I can take a kid out of highschool and train him to do my job (owner of the company) in 15 years or less with no experience, as long as he's not an a&&hole. I know i can do it, but I haven't found one yet that doesn't think he's owed everything to start and won't treat my customers like chit at some point. He's still on the look out lol. 

He said Im going to start poaching people from stores that aren't my customers. I'm going to hit them heavy and go after some of their best in store people and hire them away.
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Luckily mine are working in a team of 3-4 and aren't allowed near the customer.  I've still had issues with some, but they don't last if it keeps up.

We treat it the same way the military deals with fresh recruits: shadow someone and get all the sh!t assignments until you can be trusted to be on your own.  They're warned in the interview that they will be the lowest rung on the ladder, and sh!t rolls downhill.

Speaking of, @onanysunday, the Navy still has machinists (Machinists Mate).  Most have the dumb programmed out of them and are used to working long hours.  Lots end up moving back out of places like San Diego because it's crazy expensive.  Might be worth something.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/vets/employers/rvec

Realbadlarry said:
Just waiting for the opportunity for the 50+ crowd to be valued again....
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I value old bastards.  Pay them well.  No fuss, no "but I have Yoga" (but there are doctor's appts...), etc.

But I can't have an install crew of 50 year olds, you bastards wouldn't have any kids to dig the ditches for you. :biggrin:

 
I'm working on earning certificates in a course called electric power technology. This is the use of industrial electrical and electronics. Low voltage, single and 3 phase, VFD's, PLC's, etc. If you think what's out there now is bad, wait till this new batch of covid kids graduate. I'm 45 and I have classes of 4-8 students. These classes would have been 20+ pre-covid. Usually, there are 1-2 standouts and the rest of the kids can't figure out how to turn on their DMM, get to class on time or even come in every day. As Mike Rowe so often says, the standard path was a 4 year college else you were doomed to a life of hard labor till your job was taken by AI. Now, AI is taking white collar jobs and the knowledge of how to design, build, and repair infrastructure is fast disappearing. 

 
While not necessarily on topic with the original post, I'll share this.

As a job seeker, it has become almost impossible to keep up and give potential employers what they are looking for.  "Bob" has worked here 35 years and is retiring.  We need a replacement for "Bob".  So, employers write such a detailed list of requirements to fill "Bob's" shoes.  You will never find "Bob".  It shuts out and discourages so much other talent.  Whatever happened to OJT, training, giving someone a chance and grooming them for your needs?

Job listings are so detailed and now all this "keyword" crap.  Who can keep up?  Then, you have automated screening software.  And yes, I have entered the age of "age discrimination" (50 plus).

Here's a bit about me.  3 Master's degrees (one's an MBA).  Retired Naval Officer/pilot.  I managed major programs with over $5 billion in assets.  I am very dynamic, very adaptable, lots of experiences, leadership, process improvement.  I'm highly trained in crisis action planning, risk management, safety/crash investigation.  I currently manage government licensing and certification for a global logistics company.  The list goes on.  Yet, everyone tells me my resume isn't the problem, but apparently it is because I get rejections s fast as I submit the application.  

Guess what...none of that has ever helped me get a foot in the door.  The only way I got my current job was from a friend recommending me to the company.

AND...why list "remote" for the position when it means..."remote" in Chicago, Tampa, New York...  COVID showed us what "remote" is...it's not living/working in a city separate of the corporate office, it's at home and some travel involved.

If I was to lose my job or get fed up and quit, I'm just going back to being retired.  I'd love to keep working and padding my future and lifestyle, but it's not worth the endless rejections and not being "Bob" to fill the over detailed requirements.

 
Mac said:
While not necessarily on topic with the original post, I'll share this.

As a job seeker, it has become almost impossible to keep up and give potential employers what they are looking for.  "Bob" has worked here 35 years and is retiring.  We need a replacement for "Bob".  So, employers write such a detailed list of requirements to fill "Bob's" shoes.  You will never find "Bob".  It shuts out and discourages so much other talent.  Whatever happened to OJT, training, giving someone a chance and grooming them for your needs?

Job listings are so detailed and now all this "keyword" crap.  Who can keep up?  Then, you have automated screening software.  And yes, I have entered the age of "age discrimination" (50 plus).

Here's a bit about me.  3 Master's degrees (one's an MBA).  Retired Naval Officer/pilot.  I managed major programs with over $5 billion in assets.  I am very dynamic, very adaptable, lots of experiences, leadership, process improvement.  I'm highly trained in crisis action planning, risk management, safety/crash investigation.  I currently manage government licensing and certification for a global logistics company.  The list goes on.  Yet, everyone tells me my resume isn't the problem, but apparently it is because I get rejections s fast as I submit the application.  

Guess what...none of that has ever helped me get a foot in the door.  The only way I got my current job was from a friend recommending me to the company.

AND...why list "remote" for the position when it means..."remote" in Chicago, Tampa, New York...  COVID showed us what "remote" is...it's not living/working in a city separate of the corporate office, it's at home and some travel involved.

If I was to lose my job or get fed up and quit, I'm just going back to being retired.  I'd love to keep working and padding my future and lifestyle, but it's not worth the endless rejections and not being "Bob" to fill the over detailed requirements.
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Quit complaining and get back to work! :biggrin:

 
Mac said:
While not necessarily on topic with the original post, I'll share this.

As a job seeker, it has become almost impossible to keep up and give potential employers what they are looking for.  "Bob" has worked here 35 years and is retiring.  We need a replacement for "Bob".  So, employers write such a detailed list of requirements to fill "Bob's" shoes.  You will never find "Bob".  It shuts out and discourages so much other talent.  Whatever happened to OJT, training, giving someone a chance and grooming them for your needs?

Job listings are so detailed and now all this "keyword" crap.  Who can keep up?  Then, you have automated screening software.  And yes, I have entered the age of "age discrimination" (50 plus).

Here's a bit about me.  3 Master's degrees (one's an MBA).  Retired Naval Officer/pilot.  I managed major programs with over $5 billion in assets.  I am very dynamic, very adaptable, lots of experiences, leadership, process improvement.  I'm highly trained in crisis action planning, risk management, safety/crash investigation.  I currently manage government licensing and certification for a global logistics company.  The list goes on.  Yet, everyone tells me my resume isn't the problem, but apparently it is because I get rejections s fast as I submit the application.  

Guess what...none of that has ever helped me get a foot in the door.  The only way I got my current job was from a friend recommending me to the company.

AND...why list "remote" for the position when it means..."remote" in Chicago, Tampa, New York...  COVID showed us what "remote" is...it's not living/working in a city separate of the corporate office, it's at home and some travel involved.

If I was to lose my job or get fed up and quit, I'm just going back to being retired.  I'd love to keep working and padding my future and lifestyle, but it's not worth the endless rejections and not being "Bob" to fill the over detailed requirements.
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I hate to say it, but you should "own the ship" and not be the worker bee anymore.  You are over qualified and would most likely run rings around the top guys.  This scares the hiring company most of the time. Plus,  you don't really need the job and are only doing it to not be bored. I think this would discourage me from hiring someone like you, unless I got you super cheap and could reap the benefits of your knowledge until you got bored and found something else to do!!

 
You would think Honesty would count....  Look i'm at the end of my work life... 3-5 years max......but I'll give you 110% those years.... Seems like once you hit 50 you are screwed... How did that happen???????? 

 
MGMFRP said:
I hate to say it, but you should "own the ship" and not be the worker bee anymore.  You are over qualified and would most likely run rings around the top guys.  This scares the hiring company most of the time. Plus,  you don't really need the job and are only doing it to not be bored. I think this would discourage me from hiring someone like you, unless I got you super cheap and could reap the benefits of your knowledge until you got bored and found something else to do!!
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Might seem strange, I've never wanted to own my own business.  Everyone always says "I work for myself"...nope, you work for everyone else (customers).

 
@Mac You are over-qualified and that scares people above you that know you'll come in and run circles around them.

You need to dumb up your resume and act like you know just enough to do the job at hand...then go in and run circles around them!

:lmao:

:bag:

 
I've never understood the you're too good for the job hiring mentality.  If they want my job and think they can do better, go for it. 

 
the thing i see with most job listings, specially the ones that list a salary range is the list of education requirements and experience alot of employers are asking for, people that meet those desired requirements arent gonna work for you at the wages your offering. the city jobs posted here in havasu are the prime example of that. also in the 6 years ive lived here the same jobs are constantly posted, or re posted after a brief time. that tells me theres an issue thats embedded in that dept that people wont work for. the water dept jobs are always posted in havasu, and knowing someone that worked for them briefly i found out why. very toxic work environment (toxic people, managers, dept head) and people wont tolerate a terrible managers attitude for any amount of money. also out here the good paying jobs, are almost always filled by the "good ole boys" club.

i look for jobs weekly just to keep tabs on whats out there since landing a job you can actually pay your living expenses with is almost non existent here in havasu. i also dont understand the thought of im not going to hire someone with that much experience since they could leave anytime for something better. sure that person may use that employment as stepping stone or a temp deal, but if you get value and you business benefits out of employing that person, what are you losing or not gaining by not taking that chance on an experienced person?

these days word of mouth and who you know will get you a job or find an employee more than placing/responding to ads. i have a job interview tomorrow, and only reason i got it was i made a call to someone i know that works at the company and he got my application moved to the front since it initially wasnt getting past the pre-screen computer filters.

 
Kevin said:
the thing i see with most job listings, specially the ones that list a salary range is the list of education requirements and experience alot of employers are asking for, people that meet those desired requirements arent gonna work for you at the wages your offering. the city jobs posted here in havasu are the prime example of that. also in the 6 years ive lived here the same jobs are constantly posted, or re posted after a brief time. that tells me theres an issue thats embedded in that dept that people wont work for. the water dept jobs are always posted in havasu, and knowing someone that worked for them briefly i found out why. very toxic work environment (toxic people, managers, dept head) and people wont tolerate a terrible managers attitude for any amount of money. also out here the good paying jobs, are almost always filled by the "good ole boys" club.

i look for jobs weekly just to keep tabs on whats out there since landing a job you can actually pay your living expenses with is almost non existent here in havasu. i also dont understand the thought of im not going to hire someone with that much experience since they could leave anytime for something better. sure that person may use that employment as stepping stone or a temp deal, but if you get value and you business benefits out of employing that person, what are you losing or not gaining by not taking that chance on an experienced person?

these days word of mouth and who you know will get you a job or find an employee more than placing/responding to ads. i have a job interview tomorrow, and only reason i got it was i made a call to someone i know that works at the company and he got my application moved to the front since it initially wasnt getting past the pre-screen computer filters.
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I try to find additional business for my good people to lead and grow.  Make hay while the sun is shining.

But, I doubt that applies to a machinist @onanysunday is trying to hire :biggrin:

 
Interesting story regarding this. Like I said in my previous post. Guys tend to come here looking for the better job, better place.  Last week, I had a friend in the business bring over a guy looking for work.  Mostly spanish speaking and that comes with challenges. I have two employees that are bi lingual but they are not in the field so I knew this would be the first hurdle.  There are actually a number of hurdles with the language barrier but I need to work around this and this is why.  Edgar is his name. Edgar is introduced to me last Wednesday.  We talk for a bit with our friend who is bilingual.  I ask him to come back this Monday with his employment application filled out. This was to postpone him primarily until my office gal returned from vacation as shes bilingual.  Well, Edgar returns the next day, Thursday.  Says he wants to work and will work for free that day and Friday to show us hes capable.  He came from a Yamaha outboard dealer 3 blocks away. We are Mercury so I wasn't sure how he would do. Well, we let him work and he crushed it Thursday and Friday.  I am paying him obviously and he in now employed with us. 

I asked him why he left the other dealer. He said he was tired of the jack assing and laziness of the manager and other employees. He drives from far away, hes never late and he is there to work. He wants to go home and be with his family after a hard days work and could care less about the bs that comes from lazy people.

What just walked into my shop could be the best guy Ive hired in years.  Seems I need to change and my business needs to change.

 
I forgot to mention...LinkedIn is a complete joke.  Nothing but a "professional" (very loosely used) facebook.  I rarely see things posted that can help job seekers or advertising "real" jobs.  The filter and search function suck.  It always sticks me in fields I'm not interested or qualified based on broad terms of "program" or "project" managers.  

 
This is a very interesting topic here. I worked my last job for 26 years and without getting into details was forced to move on from it and find another job. Well I started driving for a BIG logistics company 8 years ago and now believe it or NOT they have laid off many people and cutting hours very bad. I have put out feelers for 4 months on Indeed and get at least 3 a day rejections. Maybe it is because I am 52? Maybe I don't know but its Frustrating to say the least.

 
Grease Monkey said:
Interesting story regarding this. Like I said in my previous post. Guys tend to come here looking for the better job, better place.  Last week, I had a friend in the business bring over a guy looking for work.  Mostly spanish speaking and that comes with challenges. I have two employees that are bi lingual but they are not in the field so I knew this would be the first hurdle.  There are actually a number of hurdles with the language barrier but I need to work around this and this is why.  Edgar is his name. Edgar is introduced to me last Wednesday.  We talk for a bit with our friend who is bilingual.  I ask him to come back this Monday with his employment application filled out. This was to postpone him primarily until my office gal returned from vacation as shes bilingual.  Well, Edgar returns the next day, Thursday.  Says he wants to work and will work for free that day and Friday to show us hes capable.  He came from a Yamaha outboard dealer 3 blocks away. We are Mercury so I wasn't sure how he would do. Well, we let him work and he crushed it Thursday and Friday.  I am paying him obviously and he in now employed with us. 

I asked him why he left the other dealer. He said he was tired of the jack assing and laziness of the manager and other employees. He drives from far away, hes never late and he is there to work. He wants to go home and be with his family after a hard days work and could care less about the bs that comes from lazy people.

What just walked into my shop could be the best guy Ive hired in years.  Seems I need to change and my business needs to change.
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alot of times they just want a chance to show what they can do. good for you landing a work horse like that.

 
SandTrap said:
This is a very interesting topic here. I worked my last job for 26 years and without getting into details was forced to move on from it and find another job. Well I started driving for a BIG logistics company 8 years ago and now believe it or NOT they have laid off many people and cutting hours very bad. I have put out feelers for 4 months on Indeed and get at least 3 a day rejections. Maybe it is because I am 52? Maybe I don't know but its Frustrating to say the least.
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Can you align hone a block and live in Phoenix?   :lol:

 
SandTrap said:
This is a very interesting topic here. I worked my last job for 26 years and without getting into details was forced to move on from it and find another job. Well I started driving for a BIG logistics company 8 years ago and now believe it or NOT they have laid off many people and cutting hours very bad. I have put out feelers for 4 months on Indeed and get at least 3 a day rejections. Maybe it is because I am 52? Maybe I don't know but it’s Frustrating to say the least.
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Curious: commercial truck driver? 

 
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