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Google all of your meds and see what the sideaffects are.

Dont worry about Cholesterol.  There is a new theory out there that it doesnt mean anything.  My doctor admited, that he tended to agree w.me, until you.ve had a heart attack 

 
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I did.  I'm dealing with a lot of the side effects, hence the topic.  I NEED to get off these.  I'm just not sure where to start and was looking for any advice if others have gone off meds and what did they encounter.

- If you were on meds and stopped taking them, what side effects or issues did you have?
- If you stopped taking meds, did you end up having to go back on them?

As mentioned, the only one I really worry about is my potassium blocker.  High or low potassium will kill you and diet only controls it so much.
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I learned that our body is always trying to find homeostasis, so whenever we put something in our body, it will make changes and either down or upregulate our body chemistry. When you take something for any length of time, you will have withdrawal symptoms when you come off it. This goes for everything....  even foods (sugars, caffeine, etc)

You have to taper off the stuff to lessen side effects. Could take months to taper off..  Try cutting your dosage by 10% every few days/week. You can look up the half-life of your meds to see when it's eliminated by your body and go off of that. So say your potassium meds take 3 days to eliminate. Cut 10% of your dosage and wait 4 days to see how you feel.. feel good? Cut another 10% and repeat. Feel bad? Go up 5% and see if you feel better in a few days. May have to taper super slow.. 

People, and even doctors don't realize how severe withdrawals can be with medications that you don't even think twice about. It doesn't have to be a narcotic or a "bad" drug. Something tells me you know all this but thought I would share.

 
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Take (ONE) Shot of Tequila every morning before you start your day. I've heard that works. I've re-named mine (Listerine) Peace

 
Start with the basics 

1. Drink more water 

2. Get out in the sun

3. get more physical activity 

Most people will not go passed this point, but if you really want results… see below  

if you really want to make drastic improvements. Check out the carnivore or keto diet. Check out intermittent fasting. 
 

if you really want to dig deep and do some mind work… check out the Wim Hof method, and read this book 

https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Back-Pain-Mind-Body-Connection/dp/0446392308/ref=asc_df_0446392308/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312136634064&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3213415136026444229&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031487&hvtargid=pla-524087067785&psc=1&mcid=d65b143794233cf19e8cbc6f0254f027&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi9aS1NywhQMVUzfUAR1VUA3_EAQYASABEgIVOvD_BwE

 
EastMT said:
I haven't done any research but my cholestrol tested on the higher side twice when testing mid to late winter (inside more). When I re-tested mid summer it was on the very low side, most likely to being more active or getting more sunlight. 

Do some reading on T replacement. From what I read your body will stop producing and you will be taking it the rest of your life. Being active, lifting weights, getting rid of an unpleasant woman in my life, and being outside (sunlight possibly) helped increase my T levels naturally.

No pop, salt, or fast food.

and for gods sakes rethink the vegan lifestyle :rofl:
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When you say no salt have you really watched it closely? I had my heart attack 3 1/2 years ago and I now stay at 2,000 max mg every day. It is extremely hard and there is very little that you can eat other than good natural foods. Good luck eating anything out anywhere and staying within the numbers. I thought I was eating decent before that but was not even close. Now I eat tons of veggies. Red meat once a week which I did before. Had 2 oz of ham on Easter which was the first time in 3 1/2 years. Wasn't really missing much. Plenty of beans and fish with some chicken. It can be done but it is one heck of a commitment. My doctor says I'm a unicorn. It is amazing how extremely poor the American diet truly is. Take a look at people on the beach in the 50s and 60s and you did not hardly see anybody overweight. Oh and yes my cholesterol was on the high side before my heart attack. Thought I was going to die on my way to the hospital. In rehab I was determined to take care of myself after that.

 
Guess I forgot to add that I am still doing my cardio rehab workout after the heart attack. But I have expanded on it a little bit. 55 minutes total. Exercise bike first. Rowing machine second. Total gym 3rd. And then stretching. Although I will say this winter I have been sick a lot and have not been able to work out as much as normal. For me when I'm working out and running two businesses I sleep well.

 
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Take (ONE) Shot of Tequila every morning before you start your day. I've heard that works. I've re-named mine (Listerine) Peace
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Finally a program I feel that I can maintain.............^^^^^

Mac, I'll be 61 in 2 weeks. No meds and not much pain considering the work I did for 25 years (before quitting the manual side of it). I do fiber, super C, hyuarluic acid and fish pills everyday. Most days, especially at work, I drink a bunch of water and very rarely have fast food.  If I quit drinking I'd probably lose the extra 25 lbs I have. Sleep kinda sucks usually but good enough I guess.

Sorry Steve, this probably doesn't help much.  I feel fortunate and probably a little lucky that I am not more effed up.

 
Spize909 said:
Sleep kinda sucks usually but good enough I guess
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Stopping the drinking improved this for me. Sleep improvement alone is enough to keep me from drink again, but there are other up sides to no drinking as well.

 
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Mac, I'll be 61 in 2 weeks.
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Turned 61 New Years Day @Spize909 Welcome to the club! I've noticed also when I don't drink I sleep much better. Instead of 5-6 hrs I'll get 7-8hrs. BUT @Mac I think our ADHD is a tough one to reel in. I've come to acknowledge it's tendencies. Not a pill guy.........Not a Doctor guy either.  My philosophy Stay Busy. Look around you. You don't have it near as bad as others. Pound Water. Always a great thing. Your body has to cycle. Make Woody Woodpecker Work. Laugh and Love. If you can't find anything to laugh about...................Walk around naked. At least Your wife will laugh! Peace  

 
I've lived a pretty unhealthy life since I was about 12. About to turn 50.

Just quit smoking in January.  Never drink much water. Worked outside 7 months a year since I was old enough to work. Living off coffee ,soda fountain drinks and beer. I feel I've pushed it. Time to change some chit. 

Decided to make some serious changes last August.  Went for a physical.  Doc says. Your 👍.  I need to quit smoking, drink more water, deal with my sleep apnea and drink beer every "other" day. 

I deal with alot of  joint and old physical injury problems. Probably should have taken better care of myself in general and after injuries

 Internal medicine wise, they say I'm good.🤞

 
Stress is the worst. I believe that stress causes more deaths than any other condition, it's just that stress comes with many names attached to it, but the bottom line is a ton of ailments are brought on by stress. I retired at 58 due to stress, a stressful job is not worth your well being. I kept telling myself I can handle stress no problem, but I was fooling myself. I gained weight the last few years before retiring and suffered other effects that I never was aware of until I retired.

I quit drinking 30 yrs ago and don't miss it in the least.

And sleep is critical to good health, and I mean good sleep. Stress causes sleep issues for a lot of people, at least with me it does.

There some things that happen to us we can't control because of genetics. We can mitigate them sometimes by taking action such as a lifestyle change or medication. I was fortunate to inherit good genes, I was always in good shape into my mid 50's. Good blood work results every year, no extra weight, and good strength and stamina. I did work out regularly until my late 40's but no other dedicated efforts other than working hard and playing hard. But then a few months after I retired I was diagnosed with ALS (which is not genetic of course) so you never know what life will throw at you! I had to give up duning, which was my passion, a year after my diagnosis but am 64 now and still somewhat upright and breathing.  :dude:   

I guess what I'm getting at is get stress out of your life, do what you can to take of yourself, and enjoy the time you have because life doesn't always come with a warranty so enjoy the ride while it lasts!! 

(And if I post some weird chit sometimes, cut me some slack, I have a good excuse! :biggrin: )

 
If you don't use it, you're gonna lose it. I've preached that my whole life @kali That was a good one. Reading this TOPic, you want to make changes. Thanks @Mac for having the testicles to bring this up. Yes, it's our reality today. Peace 

 
61, drink like a fish, dip of Grizzly Chew in my beak during waking hours.

I work out at least 4 times a week, eat dinner before 6pm, Sauna sweat session two times a week.

Any meaningful improvement in your overall wellbeing will start with getting your testosterone levels where they need to be. Trying to make changes with low T levels is like trying to run a 10 minute mile in water.

 
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When you say no salt have you really watched it closely? I had my heart attack 3 1/2 years ago and I now stay at 2,000 max mg every day. It is extremely hard and there is very little that you can eat other than good natural foods. Good luck eating anything out anywhere and staying within the numbers. I thought I was eating decent before that but was not even close. Now I eat tons of veggies. Red meat once a week which I did before. Had 2 oz of ham on Easter which was the first time in 3 1/2 years. Wasn't really missing much. Plenty of beans and fish with some chicken. It can be done but it is one heck of a commitment. My doctor says I'm a unicorn. It is amazing how extremely poor the American diet truly is. Take a look at people on the beach in the 50s and 60s and you did not hardly see anybody overweight. Oh and yes my cholesterol was on the high side before my heart attack. Thought I was going to die on my way to the hospital. In rehab I was determined to take care of myself after that.
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 No I don’t closely watch or measure the salt. I don’t put salt on my food and I don’t use seasoning that have a lot of salt. I check other food to see if they have salt in then already or take a guess that they do and avoid them. My meals are pretty bland, meat, beans, rice.  I have some stress that I can’t control so I watch salt, cholesterol, and alcohol, the things I do have control over.

I’m of the belief that red meat is good and eat it frequently. 

Thanks for sharing the details of your heart attack. It is a big concern of mine and appreciate the info.

 
I'm on this same road. I'll have to write on the laptop because on my phone it will be gibberish...more then my normal...haha

I did drop from 330 lbs to 275, but creeping back to 295 at the moment. 

I hate how my body felt and how crappy it feels to even gain a few back.

Find what works and keep at it.

 
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I'm on this same road. I'll have to write on the laptop because on my phone it will be gibberish...more then my normal...haha

I did drop from 330 lbs to 275, but creeping back to 295 at the moment. 

I hate how my body felt and how crappy it feels to even gain a few back.

Find what works and keep at it.
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I’d hit it…

 
Interesting topic, Im 56 retired a year and half  ago and since then went on a low dose blood pressure medicine and a statin for cholesterol. My dad died at 50 while running (heart attack) and I truly believe it was due to stress hence my early retirement. I am an avid cyclist (8-12 hrs a week) and work out, should probably stop drinking but its my one e vice. I do stop taking statins before bicycle races because they cause me muscle fatigue but go back on them right after. Lots of guys I compete against do TRT and its benefits are apparent but I simply don't want to stick a needle in myself  :blury: .  I tried using Ketones (ketone-IQ) this last Saturday for an endurance gravel race and like most supplements they just spun me up a tad too much so I doubt I'll use it again. For me I have to have events on the calendar to train for, also utilizing strava and other apps to track progress (or lack of it) motivates me and helps me hold myself accountable. I'm 6'2' and 190 lbs, I can over eat or try to starve myself and my weight barley fluctuates as I get older so I don't pay much attention to it, I try to keep muscle tone and energy up instead. 

 
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Interesting topic, Im 56 retired a year and half  ago and since then went on a low dose blood pressure medicine and a statin for cholesterol. My dad died at 50 while running (heart attack) and I truly believe it was due to stress hence my early retirement. I am an avid cyclist (8-12 hrs a week) and work out, should probably stop drinking but its my one e vice. I do stop taking statins before bicycle races because they cause me muscle fatigue but go back on them right after. Lots of guys I compete against do TRT and its benefits are apparent but I simply don't want to stick a needle in myself  :blury: .  I tried using Ketones (ketone-IQ) this last Saturday for an endurance gravel race and like most supplements they just spun me up a tad too much so I doubt I'll use it again. For me I have to have events on the calendar to train for, also utilizing strava and other apps to track progress (or lack of it) motivates me and helps me hold myself accountable. I'm 6'2' and 190 lbs, I can over eat or try to starve myself and my weight barley fluctuates as I get older so I don't pay much attention to it, I try to keep muscle tone and energy up instead. 
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You can get Testosterone in a topical gel too.

 
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