This is a good question, that he won't answer. I have explained that I need EXACT measurements for shipping, and he just got rude, and won't answer. He won't provide the basic info needed for buying a toy, like stub type, etc., (Or even how to pay him) so as of this morning, I am looking elsewhere. I was just hoping to find something to dune with a few more times this year (it is almost winter here) until I get my Suby back together. Thanks y'all for the input, and I will definitely use it the next time this situation comes up.