rzr chop

100% it is caused by the SxS.  It has ruined much of the dirt roads in the desert for Motorcycles (unless you like the to chatter your teeth).  Whether it is the pure volume of SxS or poor suspension set up, I really have no idea what causes it.  I did have someone tell me it was from SxS running in two wheel drive and the rear tires start hoping trying to get traction, but I don't believe that because you seen on regular dirt roads that are flat as well.

 
Chatter bumps are caused by the suspension of vehicles with a very loose compression and rebound area at ride height. it can be caused by rails, sxs's, trucks, and just about anything in the dunes. 

Essentially, its wheel hop/axle wrap while under power. the suspension is loose enough that instead of a steady apply of power to the ground, teh light rebound allows tire to drop as it digs, vehicle weight catches up, traction is caught, tire grabs and suspension is slightly compressed from light compression, tire looses traction again and the process starts all over. that is an overly dramatic way of putting it the increase and decrease of traction is only slight and the suspension movement is only slight but its enough to cause some chatter. Now you run the next guy over it and the next guy and so on with ALL loose rebound and compression and the chatter pumps are greatly increased because the suspension of the car is eating the bumps up, loosing traction, gaining it, moving sand back to those bumps and increasing their size. Same reason whoops are formed. 

SxS's have a heavier play in this roll as there are FAR more of them and the internal bypass shocks they run are setup to be nice and squishy while at ride height. they will not feel them till the chatter size reaches a point that the interal piston is now moving behind the first bypass or the springs are hitting the secondary stop. 

desert races have had these chatter bumps for YEARS due to teh high travel numbes of trucks, buggies, and other cars. specifically in the braking area for a corner and accelerating out of a corner. 

the only way to stop it is to stiffen up the high speed side of valving but that makes for a poor ride over ruts, small rocks, and other things that can induce a hard ride. the only time chatter is created is on soft soil like sand. 

 
Had these stutter bumps real badmouth on he trails in havasu this weekend. So annoying. Makes for a rough jeep ride. I could do without the sxs’s
 
Chatter bumps are caused by the suspension of vehicles with a very loose compression and rebound area at ride height. it can be caused by rails, sxs's, trucks, and just about anything in the dunes.

Essentially, its wheel hop/axle wrap while under power. the suspension is loose enough that instead of a steady apply of power to the ground, teh light rebound allows tire to drop as it digs, vehicle weight catches up, traction is caught, tire grabs and suspension is slightly compressed from light compression, tire looses traction again and the process starts all over. that is an overly dramatic way of putting it the increase and decrease of traction is only slight and the suspension movement is only slight but its enough to cause some chatter. Now you run the next guy over it and the next guy and so on with ALL loose rebound and compression and the chatter pumps are greatly increased because the suspension of the car is eating the bumps up, loosing traction, gaining it, moving sand back to those bumps and increasing their size. Same reason whoops are formed.

SxS's have a heavier play in this roll as there are FAR more of them and the internal bypass shocks they run are setup to be nice and squishy while at ride height. they will not feel them till the chatter size reaches a point that the interal piston is now moving behind the first bypass or the springs are hitting the secondary stop.

desert races have had these chatter bumps for YEARS due to teh high travel numbes of trucks, buggies, and other cars. specifically in the braking area for a corner and accelerating out of a corner.

the only way to stop it is to stiffen up the high speed side of valving but that makes for a poor ride over ruts, small rocks, and other things that can induce a hard ride. the only time chatter is created is on soft soil like sand.
Cant say for the other SXS but the Pro R's first bypass valve is considerably further down the stroke. We eat the "chatter bumps" just like the quads. Speed mitigates it in mine.

Edit: I will add that the chop is way different now than it was the last time I was out (2011 or 2012). I imagine the only thing that has changed is the number of vehicles out there (largely SXS' it looks like).
 
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Had these stutter bumps real badmouth on he trails in havasu this weekend. So annoying. Makes for a rough jeep ride. I could do without the sxs’s
The chatter bumps in havasu are something else. By far way worse than anywhere else I have experience them.
 
You guys think Rzr chop is bad, you should see what those damn wakeboard boats do to MY river water........How can I impress these little bar flies in my 300k DCB when I can't go fast...
 
Beauty of Glamis is there are no trails to follow unless you choose to follow other people's well traveld paths to destination spots...

Go deep in the dunes, fresh and smooth is out there...
 
I can tell you I spent my whole life off-roading out in Parker and surrounding areas.. never saw chatter bumps ever..

Some of the trails are so bad in havasu that people are actually setting up their suspension to deal with it rather than actual terrain. In my old canam at desert bash it was so violent you couldn’t hold onto the steering wheel if you tried.. after a couple of runs I was amazed the judge cluster still worked.

As for the rest a few years back it rained pretty good so my friends and I decide to run down to the cabins in the desert. It was smooth all the way down. We had ten cars..

It was not smooth on the way back. That was when I realized how quick a small group of sxs’s can absolutely fuck a trail all up.

Say what ya want about a speed car.. they don’t give a shit about chatter bumps or anything smaller than about 18 inches for that matter.. you don’t even care that you are gonna hit it.. then when ya get in the big shit the harder ya run em the more they like it.

RD
 
I ride a RZR and a bike, it's definitely caused by sxs's. I don't think it's the suspension setup or smaller tires or anything like that, it's just the volume of them, they're everywhere! It was less of a problem before the rhino because you have to actually be able to ride a bike/ATV or be able to afford a rail, now anyone can finance a sxs and drive wherever. They are great and I love mine, but the dunes were a little more enjoyable before EVERYONE and their entire family was out there. Sorry for the rant...
 
I ride a RZR and a bike, it's definitely caused by sxs's. I don't think it's the suspension setup or smaller tires or anything like that, it's just the volume of them, they're everywhere! It was less of a problem before the rhino because you have to actually be able to ride a bike/ATV or be able to afford a rail, now anyone can finance a sxs and drive wherever. They are great and I love mine, but the dunes were a little more enjoyable before EVERYONE and their entire family was out there. Sorry for the rant...

It’s no different in the hardback
 
I think it's all wheel hop. 4WD vehicles with too much air in the steering tires will hop. Listen carefully to any of the SxSs running in 4WD with a lot of air in the tires and you'll hear them chatter every time they're on the gas.

You don't need 20psi to run in the sand. 6-8 per corner is plenty of air for most of these. Wife has been driving her Can Am in the dunes since Winter of 2016, 6-8psi the whole time, no beadlocks. Only lost 1 bead: landed sideways on a 40' jump.
 
I think it's all wheel hop. 4WD vehicles with too much air in the steering tires will hop. Listen carefully to any of the SxSs running in 4WD with a lot of air in the tires and you'll hear them chatter every time they're on the gas.

You don't need 20psi to run in the sand. 6-8 per corner is plenty of air for most of these. Wife has been driving her Can Am in the dunes since Winter of 2016, 6-8psi the whole time, no beadlocks. Only lost 1 bead: landed sideways on a 40' jump.
6-8psi in a 2300# doesn't seem like a great idea to me. I run 10 and that has been plenty low for good bite even with the SS360s (not HP) that I run.
 
6-8psi in a 2300# doesn't seem like a great idea to me. I run 10 and that has been plenty low for good bite even with the SS360s (not HP) that I run.
Agree. Newer heavier ones need more air, obviously. I was referring to 2-seat X3/XPT types, which still make up the vast majority of SxSs. Most guys I see out there have tires with no footprint whatsoever, just a perfectly round tire. With the narrower tires most run, this means a lot of ground pressure and digging.

That said… I run 8-10 in my 4,000lb nose-heavy Jeep on 35x12.50R15s, no beadlocks. Never lost a bead, even on rescue trips in the dunes. Your results may vary, but most of the newbs out there are running waaaaaaay too much air.
 
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Agree. Newer heavier ones need more air, obviously. I was referring to 2-seat X3/XPT types, which still make up the vast majority of SxSs. Most guys I see out there have tires with no footprint whatsoever, just a perfectly round tire. With the narrower tires most run, this means a lot of ground pressure and digging.

That said… I run 8-10 in my 4,000lb nose-heavy Jeep on 35x12.50R15s, no beadlocks. Never lost a bead, even on rescue trips in the dunes. Your results may vary, but most of the newbs out there are running waaaaaaay too much air.
But do you dune the shit out of that like you stole it?
 
But do you dune the shit out of that like you stole it?
It often finds itself following buggies… At night.

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Full blast SxS or Buggy speeds? Naw. But still fast enough to not piss people off, and enough bump stop hits to make baby Jesus cry :ROFLMAO:

Either way, wasn’t talking about 10psi causing RZR Bumps. But look around next time you’re out there. You’ll see guys running whatever pressure the shop used to seat the bead. Perfectly round tires with no contact patch. Some will even tell you they HAVE to run that pressure (20+) when you suggest maybe they let some air out. :ROFLMAO:
 
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It often finds itself following buggies… At night.

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Full blast SxS or Buggy speeds? Naw. But still fast enough to not piss people off, and enough bump stop hits to make baby Jesus cry :ROFLMAO:

Either way, wasn’t talking about 10psi causing RZR Bumps. But look around next time you’re out there. You’ll see guys running whatever pressure the shop used to seat the bead. Perfectly round tires with no contact patch. Some will even tell you they HAVE to run that pressure (20+) when you suggest maybe they let some air out. :ROFLMAO:
Jeep doing Buggy things....A+ for effort
 
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