Ruts are killing me!

[Phil Brown]

Now that we've all agreed that the ruts are terrible and that the cause is extreme HP, can we come to an agreement that we should petition the BLM to limit the HP Weight ratio to 1 HP to 10# of machine weight for 4 wheeled vehicles (100HP for 1,000#).

I'm not totally serious....or am I?

Wow........ I can have 75hp

 

[Jammer75]

Ruts- from everyone, the heavier the car the deeper the “rut”. More people all the time is the worst it’s ever been and getting even worse.

Stutter bumps (going uphills) sxs- the way the 4x4 works as well as running to much air psi (I’ve met guys that thinks 35 is good). Again only getting worse to the shear number of people going now.

The heavier the vehicle the better they push through them I think.


I have a buggy. 1900# No room for bypasses in the rear. I’ve been doing my own revalves and messed with flutter valving and that helped mostly in the front. I was gonna go to internal bypasses and always wondered if I can make a set of utv ones work….

But I’m sorry to say when people can get what they want with out forking over “the cash” then Glamis will keep getting busier.

Back in the day we would never mention the “W” word. Now I pray for it EVERYDAY I’m out there to smooth it out.

But I’ve decided to move to Idaho 1 hour away from what I hope is better! I’ll leave it the way it is as I”ll see how the buggy performs there before anymore adjustments. Probably be able to soften everything up as it doesn’t seem to have the g outs as often. More flowing.

Fwiw

 

[Looney Duner]

Making a light car handle the chatter and ruts is definitely not impossible, my last car was a small relatively lights car. When I purchased it, the suspension was horrible through the chatter. Keep messing with the flutter stack. It took me a few times to get it right, but again, it's completely possible to make it ride good.

 

[Rockwood]

now that we all agree that they are terrible. Has anybody tried those fatter SxS tires, instead of the 3 ribbed razors and if combo hubs can handle them?

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Front shocks are off a RZR, so not perfect at all. Rears are King 3 tube bypasses, tuned for dunes and sorta whoops, but need more flutter to cancel out the high speed movement from chatter bumps. Chatter bumps are annoying, but not terrible unless I have to go slow. I think the STUs are just waaay too hard/heavy. These Tusk Lites are, well, super light and have good give to them.

 

[lincster]

Get rid of all SXS.
No matter what u do it won’t matter.
Lots of suspension in our group.
Still sucks.

Right before Xmas. My group said we wouldn’t come back until there is lots of wind.
And we go over 2 weeks!!!!
That shows how over it we were.

 

[madweazl]

Should be extra motivation to get suspension dialed in. Always amazes me how bad so many long travel, bypass equipped cars, look out there.

 

[Richard h]

What makes the summer trips great! No ruts and very smooth dunes. Go early am and late afternoon for runs. Hang under shade mid day and it works great.

 

[acefuture]

For those who ride quads, smaller cars, beam cars, etc. Just go further into areas that bigger cars and SxS newbies don't go. Some of the best dunes are the ones no one ever goes to. Further past China wall south, and the dunes east of gordons and behind patton. They aren't great for big cars and most SxS guys don't wander that far. It's basically your own playground away from the masses. Kind of blows me away that we have over 400 square miles of dunes and most people only dune in 1/100th of it

 

[kazuaki]

It's funny, I've seen some say the 4WD SxS causes the chatter. In my opinion, it is the SxS's that run in 2WD that cause it, as they lose traction and get wheel hop. I've watched it happen before. If anything, I would think 4WD in any vehicle would disturb the sand less.

 

[wesinls]

For those who ride quads, smaller cars, beam cars, etc. Just go further into areas that bigger cars and SxS newbies don't go. Some of the best dunes are the ones no one ever goes to. Further past China wall south, and the dunes east of gordons and behind patton. They aren't great for big cars and most SxS guys don't wander that far. It's basically your own playground away from the masses. Kind of blows me away that we have over 400 square miles of dunes and most people only dune in 1/100th of it

Dude - shhhh, secrets.

 

[GlamisBatman]

now that we all agree that they are terrible. Has anybody tried those fatter SxS tires, instead of the 3 ribbed razors and if combo hubs can handle them?

I did think about trying that actually but I I don't have the balls to pull the trigger or the pocketbook to waste money

 

[Jammer75]

What makes the summer trips great! No ruts and very smooth dunes. Go early am and late afternoon for runs. Hang under shade mid day and it works great.

Richard, If summer dune rides had a sales office, you would be the manager!!! lol.

 

[Esco]

For those who ride quads, smaller cars, beam cars, etc. Just go further into areas that bigger cars and SxS newbies don't go. Some of the best dunes are the ones no one ever goes to. Further past China wall south, and the dunes east of gordons and behind patton. They aren't great for big cars and most SxS guys don't wander that far. It's basically your own playground away from the masses. Kind of blows me away that we have over 400 square miles of dunes and most people only dune in 1/100th of it

most of the new drivers just hit the hot spots only

 

[madweazl]

most of the new drivers just hit the hot spots only

I was blown away by how few tracks there were during Vets day. For having 2 events in back to back weekends, once you got closer to China Wall there was virgin sand all over the place. By xmas/New Years, it was hard to finding anything that was beat up though; there just hadn't been any wind.

 

[J Alper]

It in the spring setup, set it up like a sand car not a race truck
on the light cars we do, if it is a 10'' shock instead of running two 10 springs i will run a 6'' or a 4'' spring super light and the 16'' or 14'' spring heavier
that way when i am in the smaller motion it is only working off the light spring,
Also are the low speed holes drilled out,

 

[Wejaz28]

It in the spring setup, set it up like a sand car not a race truck
on the light cars we do, if it is a 10'' shock instead of running two 10 springs i will run a 6'' or a 4'' spring super light and the 16'' or 14'' spring heavier
that way when i am in the smaller motion it is only working off the light spring,
Also are the low speed holes drilled out,

So if I have a 2" coilover with 200lb bottom and 150lb top, both 10" springs. Would you still want the same spring rate. ie...250lb-14" spring on bottom and a 100lb-6" spring on top. Or does everything change spring rate wise?
And what is meant by "low speed holes drilled out"?

 

[77charger]

I followed a couple buggies last trip and they were doing it too. I think most of it stems simply from having exponentially more vehicles out there.

Buggies will leave a deeper hole but rarely leave the bumps. The sxs are definitely the ones making them.

Gets worse where they appear to be partial throttle. Where I camp I have been there while it was smooth and seen a pack of sxs go by and the bumps were forming after 7-8 of them. Seen packs of 10 rails and just a rut from tire tracks but no bumps.

The big cars wil make whoops but they are the standard bigger whoops which are way easier to drive through

 

[77charger]

It in the spring setup, set it up like a sand car not a race truck
on the light cars we do, if it is a 10'' shock instead of running two 10 springs i will run a 6'' or a 4'' spring super light and the 16'' or 14'' spring heavier
that way when i am in the smaller motion it is only working off the light spring,
Also are the low speed holes drilled out,

For a 10 inch 2.0 it’s usually a 10 inch bottom 8 inch top softer spring. even then when loose there’s only about an inch of thread showing.

So are you having to compress the springs somewhat to get them on.