Metal Garages/Buildings - what's your experience?

Remember it is a barn, your not storing cars in there
Great point! We have a large Horse Corral and Stable to support this claim when the time comes.

The overall point of this building IS to service the yard and it’s various areas.
 
i have a great friend that builds these for a living in okc. I can ask him to chime in or get you in touch with him if you'd like to answer questions. they install them, build them but I believe they only do them now ground up. they only do from concrete up. they had a ton of issues with people wanting to do their own concrete work and the slabs were never square, then they tried to get the building up and it wouldn't work without a lot of mods. so he quit all that and only does them start to finish. a customer can build them out themselves, but his crew does it all so there's no issues. from what i gather, concrete being right is the key factor. and if your doing lifts making sure those piers are in the right places when pouring.
Great reply, thanks! My concrete crew has a very good reputation but I am prepared for the added cost of it not being outsourced if the time comes. I did think about slab thickness for a future lift although not sure it will happen. But I may address it anyway, even if I just go with a belly lift.
 
Didn't build a shop like this yet, but I built my own home in Menifee. Most of my surprises were from the City or County. So most of my input is regarding that.

Just a note, if you are going to demo the existing garage, demo the slab for it as well and pour one new slab for the new garage. You do not want to expand from the existing 1942 slab and have a structural issue with differential settlement.

Things to think about....

- Zoning, what does your zoning allow? Is there a height requirement?
- Demo, city may want a demo permit for your existing garage. I wouldn't even ask or mention it... it mysteriously vanished over the weekend.
- Soils, city may require a soils report from a geotech if you do not have any previous records of a soils report on your property.
- Grading, typically moving over 50CY's requires a grading plans/permit. If they ask, you have a nice flat area and need to move less than 50CY's. They will still make you OX and recompact to 90-95% depending on what that soils report recommends.
- Structural Slab, prefab company will make recommendations but it will need to be engineered. City will make you get structural plans from a Civil or Structural licensed in the great state of CA. Usually a separate cost outside of the plans you get from the prefab company.
- Electrical, I would say it does not have any electrical to avoid getting engineered plans for electrical. Can always be added later after receiving final inspection.
- Plumbing, if you want a sink or shitter in there, you will have to submit plans for it. If you are on septic, it may be an issue depending on the size of your septic system. If its too small, they may make you expand your leach field. This opens up another can of worms with the county as you will need to recertify your system. Regardless, they will want to make sure its sized correctly.
- Fire Protection, it will most likely be required now with the new CBC if your are trying to submit on a legit garage. Another set of plans that will be needed from a licensed FP engineer.

As for the style of structure:

The garage you are thinking of going with is a prefab system. Made with light gauge framing materials and self taper screws. Its great for carport, RV covers etc. Material is easy to work with and goes up quick. If you want it to be climate controlled, you need to make sure the exterior has a vapor barrier and proper attic ventilation in order to insulate it. If done right, you shouldn't be able to tell the different if it were stick built or prefab light gauge framed once drywall is up.

I would make sure you go through an installer and not directly with the manufacturer then get an installer. That way, if anything is missing from the kit, it is on the installer and not you. I would try to find an "owner builder" installer. They take more pride in their work and are typically a lot better to work with.

Maintenance wise.... I do not see it being any different that any other structurer. Especially being metal and not wood.

I have thought about doing one of these myself. One thought I had to help get through all the red tape was to start off by getting a permit for a "carport" or AG building. Same size structure with only (3) sides and have it sit on a curb on top of footing and the floor be rock or dirt. Get that built and get the city out of my hair. Once they are gone and its been a good minute, install UG utilities, pour a garage slab and build out the 4th wall with my garage doors, rough-in electrical insulate and isntall interior wall coverings. City or county wont know from GIS imagery the difference.
Amazing details, thank you!

I won’t hit on everything as you took my list and just expanded it with all the things I was curious about addressing.

As far as the demo goes, the damn thing is about to fall over… or into itself so it would be of no surprise to anyone who has driven by if this thing was in a pile one morning. Regardless, great point on the perception of its disappearance.

The foundation… will all be new… everything dig up and started from scratch. What’s there is some soft asphalt mix that appears to have been oiled every month from 1942 until 1979 (when we moved in) like this was Detroit or somewhere similar. Very crumbly and unstable.

Thanks! You laid out a great list of considerations!
 
Amazing details, thank you!

I won’t hit on everything as you took my list and just expanded it with all the things I was curious about addressing.

As far as the demo goes, the damn thing is about to fall over… or into itself so it would be of no surprise to anyone who has driven by if this thing was in a pile one morning. Regardless, great point on the perception of its disappearance.

The foundation… will all be new… everything dig up and started from scratch. What’s there is some soft asphalt mix that appears to have been oiled every month from 1942 until 1979 (when we moved in) like this was Detroit or somewhere similar. Very crumbly and unstable.

Thanks! You laid out a great list of considerations!
No problem man, these projects are cool. Keep us updated!
 
Didn't John@Outfront go thru this? Or is he Riverside.....All I know in NORCO....they are a PITA...our friend in Gardnerville....took 6 wks for permits....I have seen 90mph wind rating requirements, foot requirements.. Set back... add another 1.5 ft for ever foot over 8ft high.... no plumbing..... OH BTW..... they are starting to enforce the Backflow preventers on RESIDENCIAL properties.....Nationwide clean water act thing....add an ADU, upgrade the house..... have to add a backflow to get final......... So insane............
 
i helped a friend with one many years ago we had to pour 8 tubes then put the building up after inspections he went wild with concrete the floor inside and 20 ft all the way around.
 
I’ve done 3 pre-fab metal buildings, all were shop type buildings. Like anything, there are good, bad and ugly when it comes to suppliers that sell them. I built the first two myself when I was young and dumb. Do yourself a favor and find a reputable contractor to do it for you. You likely won’t save much, if any, trying to do it yourself. Just make sure you do your homework.

Maybe @Justdirt will weigh in here since he is in this business. He’s not in your area but surely has good info he can provide.
 
Exactly what I would start off by doing but on a curb ontop of a foundation. Where are you located? How was the city on permitting this type of structure? My city doesn't seem to understand what category these fall under since they don't have a stupid box to check for it.
I'm in Riverside County. Just outside of city limits so the county oversees my area. I didn't pull permits for it, but I used all the proper setbacks and anchoring so I could if something came up. We actually had code enforcement roll through my neighborhood and ding 3-4 of my neighbors for these buildings. All had some sort of infraction. Either not enough setback from property line, or too close and even one that the guy attached it to his house.
 
I need somewhere to store this thing.
I built a shop on my property, I looked at everything from traditional stick built on slab, kits, metal buildings to pole barns.
My shop is 50’ X 80’ with three 14’ roll up doors. By far the cost of a pole barn was cheaper AND the concrete is the last part of the process which could give you some wiggle room in the permitting process.
 

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I'm in Riverside County. Just outside of city limits so the county oversees my area. I didn't pull permits for it, but I used all the proper setbacks and anchoring so I could if something came up. We actually had code enforcement roll through my neighborhood and ding 3-4 of my neighbors for these buildings. All had some sort of infraction. Either not enough setback from property line, or too close and even one that the guy attached it to his house.
If you go this route always do pictures / video of the process, won’t help with set-back issues or size restrictions but could be a game changer in proving you’re up to code ( footings, rebar, concealed trusses / load bearing support).
 
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