Gen 4 V8 2D to S4/5 swap

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I have the 2d out of my Gen 4 for service and I brought home a S4 mock up from McMullen out here in Phoenix. This Gen 4 is an original V8 2d 930 car and I wanted to see if the S would fit. Here is a photo of why it doesn’t fit basically the back tube would have to be cut out of the car. I am not sure what the difference between this car and an original S4 car is but they are different. If that tube wasn’t there. The S would literally bolt into the car. Hopefully someone finds this helpful.

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Squatcher said:
so Kevin does fab work get that S4 installed. 
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I know, but cutting up this basically perfect car is just not something I am willing to do. It would be cool to make it more perfect but there comes a point that you sell it and buy a S4 car if that’s what you want. This car has 3 hard seasons on it and the 2d just started growling at me.  I just know this question comes up a lot so I figured I would put the answer here.

 
DZRTRUN said:
I know, but cutting up this basically perfect car is just not something I am willing to do. It would be cool to make it more perfect but there comes a point that you sell it and buy a S4 car if that’s what you want. This car has 3 hard seasons on it and the 2d just started growling at me.  I just know this question comes up a lot so I figured I would put the answer here.
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Stop trying to be helpful!  

-TJ

 
L.R.S. said:
Do it and sell Balin that busted azz 2d. I will pay you ABSOLUTE TOP DOLLAR for that 2D !
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Bill,

That looks like not that much more work considering where you are at right now........ a little snip and some mask off and touch up with some white paint & some automotive 2 part clear and you have an S4.

Jeff @L.R.S. already comitted and said he would buy the 2D for Balin for ABSOLUTE TOP $$$$ to you   :lol:  soo IMHO.....you can't lose.

All joking aside...........My 2cents............you love the car......you said its a perfect car......why not just do the small modification a / touch it up perfect (like we all know you will) and have the peace of mind of the S4 !!!!

Something to consider!...(way easier than buying and selling for a new one)

:poule:

 
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DZRTRUN said:
I have the 2d out of my Gen 4 for service and I brought home a S4 mock up from McMullen out here in Phoenix. This Gen 4 is an original V8 2d 930 car and I wanted to see if the S would fit. Here is a photo of why it doesn’t fit basically the back tube would have to be cut out of the car. I am not sure what the difference between this car and an original S4 car is but they are different. If that tube wasn’t there. The S would literally bolt into the car. Hopefully someone finds this helpful.

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I had a full build thread that got lost in the crash. It is a huge job. A lot more to it than just cutting out a bar. I still have all those pics if you wanted them posted here with some explanation.  Worth every hour it took. Completely different car and I would never go back to a 2d. ( Broke mine 5 times before calling uncle)

 
Poule43 said:
Bill,

That looks like not that much more work considering where you are at right now........ a little snip and some mask off and touch up with some white paint & some automotive 2 part clear and you have an S4.

Jeff @L.R.S. already comitted and said he would buy the 2D for Balin for ABSOLUTE TOP $$$$ to you   :lol:  soo IMHO.....you can't lose.

All joking aside...........My 2cents............you love the car......you said its a perfect car......why not just do the small modification a / touch it up perfect (like we all know you will) and have the peace of mind of the S4 !!!!

Something to consider!...(way easier than buying and selling for a new one)

:poule:
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Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. 

 
DZRTRUN said:
Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. 
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Ill pitch in a bottle of your choosing to get this build thread started. :lol:

 
DZRTRUN said:
Because I am dumb and make everything difficult. If I go that far it will get new rear 934 arms. Halfway through I will get drunk and decide it needs a custom aluminum body and a radius roof. Then I will get drunker and decide it needs the new front arms and 3.0 shocks. It’s best we leave Pandora’s box close. 
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OK,

I do the same stupid chit....I get it......slam tyhe 2D back in and go do an extra 10 day trip!

My bad - forgot who I was dealing with!

:poule:

 
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Pennywise said:
It’s super easy  :classic_blink: here are some pics from mine. We went a little over the top but it’s a solid conversion. 

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Looks great! Critical area is when you cut the pivot tube, but you have braced it well imo. I had to do this on my mid-engine to do a motor change, never had an issue.

 
Let's be honest, you posted on here knowing damn well we are going to tell you to just do it.  Selling the 2d is the hard part, thats in the bag.  An S4S car will sell 1000% better than any 2d car.  

Also good luck finding another car with the upgraded parts for a great price.  You can find all sorts of LS1 2d listings with "Fresh trans! ready to go!" though. Even cars with PBS are listed for 100k right now which blows my mind.  

 
I also had to cut the sump for clearance on my fuel tank. The center console glove box between the rear seats just fit above the transmission. If you're going to do the project I'm happy to post pics.

 
My buddy just had his car done for S5D and it was pricey to do. Bill don't cut that car up, it has been perfect for the last 3+ seasons.

 
I'm torn on this one.  This car is perfect, but my son wants a 2D for his Tatum.  Also, I have been chasing this Funco through the dunes for years and I have a hard enough time keeping up.  Can't imagine how much harder I'll have to drive my car to keep up if @DZRTRUNdoes the S4.  That will lead to a Whipple 4.0...

 
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