Brittney Griner is free

South Bay said:
Curious as to how many here actually knew or gave a chit who Paul Whelan was before yesterday ? ?
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Right on cue to try to gas light everybody. Never fails.

I think everybody knew about him as soon as Britney got arrested and trade talks came about. Until then we never, or I should say hardly ever trade, so there was nothing to talk about.

 
LegitDuner said:
Right on cue to try to gas light everybody. Never fails.

I think everybody knew about him as soon as Britney got arrested and trade talks came about. Until then we never, or I should say hardly ever trade, so there was nothing to talk about.
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Nobody knew of him because it does not fit the narrative of the mainstream media and repeated every 5 minutes. Not that nobody cares, they just don't know. Partly, because he is not a hero to the left like Brittney. I am sure she will come back to the US and be proud of her country and start standing for the National Anthem.....

 
Sausage450r said:
Just an fyi that marine “vet” was court marshaled under numerous charges and is not much better than the basketball box muncher
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So that being the case they should have left them both there not one and they traded the merchant of death for a US hating drug smuggler REALLY that makes a lot is sense just like everything this administration has and is doing FJB

 
Sausage450r said:
Just an fyi that marine “vet” was court marshaled under numerous charges and is not much better than the basketball box muncher
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Bare with me here. With all the crazy stuff going on it doesn't seem far-fetched that he was an actual spy that got caught and that his larceny convictions were just cover up. I don't know.. I don't believe anything anymore, so jaded about everything.

 
LegitDuner said:
Bare with me here. With all the crazy stuff going on it doesn't seem far-fetched that he was an actual spy that got caught and that his larceny convictions were just cover up. I don't know.. I don't believe anything anymore, so jaded about everything.
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Win-win for russia. They got their villain back. And they get to divide us further over the idea we left some hero behind when in truth he was a thief of the worst kind, highly doubt he was a “spy” he was just a hired mercenary

the left and right cant wait to sieze on some opportunity to one up the other side they failed to look into this guy at all. 
 

putin is laughing

 
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GBR said:
So that being the case they should have left them both there not one and they traded the merchant of death for a US hating drug smuggler REALLY that makes a lot is sense just like everything this administration has and is doing FJB
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Not to mention, he’s canadian. Born in ottowa. He was working for borg warner in russia. Doesnt dishonorable discharge mean you cannot call yourself a marine anymore?

 
She should have been left there to rot!

If anyone was to come home I'd say getting someone who fights for our country would be top priority.

Now, what that soldier did, who really knows? I don't, but get him back here and court martial him or put him in prison here then if he in fact broke the law.

Brittany, same thing...she should be put in jail here then, never to play professional sports again...she can take up carpet munching in jail!

But the fact that we traded an known arms dealer...should put Biden in the hot seat for Impeachment ASAP!!!! 

#FJB

 
Sausage450r said:
Just an fyi that marine “vet” was court marshaled under numerous charges and is not much better than the basketball box muncher
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He was discharged for disorderly conduct and received an "other than honorable not a dishonorable, does that constitute his fate? And if i'm being honest, had I caught on to what was "really" going on during my enlistment things probably would have played out WAY differently. 

 
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Orange_R said:
He was discharged for disorderly conduct and received an "other than honorable not a dishonorable, does that constitute his fate? And if i'm being honest, had I caught on to what was "really" going on during my enlistment things probably would have played out WAY differently. 
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From what i’ve read about him; he was a clerk in iraq and was stealing fellow service members identity information while they were in harms way

 
Sausage450r said:
From what i’ve read about him; he was a clerk in iraq and was stealing fellow service members identity information while they were in harms way
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I haven't found that. do you by chance have a link? I'd be interested in the read

 
The two things I am taking away from this is 

1 The irony of this anti American bitch getting stuck in a Russian prison is kind of hilarious

2 Griner coming home doesn't stand out to me near as much as releasing the most wanted man on the planet 2nd only to bin laden who we're told is now dead 

Had we captured instead of killing bin laden would we release him to appease the leftist agenda? What about hussein? Are there guys in gitmo that we'd just let go for something like this?

 
He enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserve in 1994.[7] He took military leave from Kelly Services to serve with the Marine Corps Reserve from 2003 to 2008, including service in Iraq. He held the rank of staff sergeant with Marine Air Control Group 38 working as an administrative clerk and administrative chief, and he was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[8] After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[9][10] The specific charges against him included "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."[11]

 
What concerns me is why did they give Russia the #2 most wanted criminal at the time he was arrested for a person who willingly violated the laws of the country they were visiting? Not the fact that they didn't get Whelan as part of the deal.

Another American, Marc Fogel was arrested and convicted in Russia for the very same offense as Griner, yet he was never designated as wrongfully detained by the US Gov. 

So an ordinary white male is detained for the exact same offense as Griner, but does not get listed as "wrongfully detained" and is still there serving a longer sentence than Griner was given. Unfortunately, he didn't even check a single box that could be used politically!

Bottom line....we traded one of the most dangerous criminals in the world for a pampered, entitled, political activist/athlete who checked all the right boxes for political points!!!

 
I will be sick to my stomach if they make her out to be some hero. She is a criminal and should be treated like one. 

Also I can't imagine how much this whole thing cost us taxpayers. 

 
Orange_R said:
He was discharged for disorderly conduct and received an "other than honorable not a dishonorable, does that constitute his fate? And if i'm being honest, had I caught on to what was "really" going on during my enlistment things probably would have played out WAY differently. 
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Read right from the source... he received a bad conduct discharge. While that is not a dishonorable discharge, it also is not a "less than honorable" discharge. Those are two sperate things.

"attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number,1 and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for 1 The appellant was charged under Article 134, UCMJ, for a violation of Title 42 U.S.C. § 408(a)(7)(B). 2 payment, in violation of Articles 80, 92, 107, and 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. §§ 880, 892, 907, and 934."

 https://www.jag.navy.mil/courts/documents/archive/2008/WHELAN, P.N. 200800152 PCE.pdf

My point in this is simply... drop the "he's a vet" act... if you want to call that woman a criminal, than so is this guy. He broke the faith, and did it to his fellow shipmate. He is a criminal too.

As to the allegations he was spying, I doubt it, and doubt IF he was, that he was doing it for the US even more. The info he was accused of receiving, by even Russia was low level BS, not of much use to our government. It is entirely possible he was setup to facilitate a trade, as the US had just charged two Russians with spying when he was charged.... in 2018. So remember that Trump let this guy sit in a Russian gulag for 2 years, and refused to trade him for the spies he did release to Russia, so its unlikely he was a US asset. 

So hate Biden for any of his numerous policy positions you don't agree with, but don't toss this criminal up as just a good vet being left behind... hes not. 

 
Nvusone said:
Read right from the source... he received a bad conduct discharge. While that is not a dishonorable discharge, it also is not a "less than honorable" discharge. Those are two sperate things.

"attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number,1 and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for 1 The appellant was charged under Article 134, UCMJ, for a violation of Title 42 U.S.C. § 408(a)(7)(B). 2 payment, in violation of Articles 80, 92, 107, and 134, Uniform Code of Military Justice, 10 U.S.C. §§ 880, 892, 907, and 934."

 https://www.jag.navy.mil/courts/documents/archive/2008/WHELAN, P.N. 200800152 PCE.pdf

My point in this is simply... drop the "he's a vet" act... if you want to call that woman a criminal, than so is this guy. He broke the faith, and did it to his fellow shipmate. He is a criminal too.

As to the allegations he was spying, I doubt it, and doubt IF he was, that he was doing it for the US even more. The info he was accused of receiving, by even Russia was low level BS, not of much use to our government. It is entirely possible he was setup to facilitate a trade, as the US had just charged two Russians with spying when he was charged.... in 2018. So remember that Trump let this guy sit in a Russian gulag for 2 years, and refused to trade him for the spies he did release to Russia, so its unlikely he was a US asset. 

So hate Biden for any of his numerous policy positions you don't agree with, but don't toss this criminal up as just a good vet being left behind... hes not. 
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To follow that point, Then why not get both in the trade? Both POS's then. There is more to it as to why they didn't or couldn't negotiate him in the trade. Then the question is, why trade at all for a known arms dealer and killer? 

 
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