Alumicraft getting a new computer mid season

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So as a few have seen, I picked up my new-to-me Alumicraft April of 2023. I was not in the market for a car like this, but was poking around for a 2 seat Alumicraft and this one presented the opportunity. 05 Alumicraft flatroof, with an LS3 525 controlled by a MEFI 4b, Albins AGB, Fortin Floaters, Billet spindles, all redundant systems, on board air, all the business. It's my absolute dream car and I was in the position to make it happen, so I went for it. I did some general off season maintenance over summer including all fluids, CVs, new trans pump, new filters, new shock hardware, hub services, etc etc. As I tore the car apart I was astonished at how well the car was prepped and how perfect all fluids and greases were. The car was built by Cooley in 2005 for Guy Evans (the owner of the one-off Alumicraft baja bug) to be a purpose built baja prerunner. The car has done just that and has many many trips from ensenada to cabo with little to no troubles between Guy and the second owner, guys business partner, who I bought it from. In 2015 it went back to Alumicraft and received a new bulkhead, front end, and big bumper. The car was parked in 2017 and had not been driven since. 

When I bought the car, the only driving I had done in it was up and down the driveway of the previous owners house. The car had never seen the sand before and I was excited to get it in the dunes. First trip was Halloween weekend. Some of you probably read the trip report, but it was a great trip with @Reece Pettersen in his new race car, my car, and one other car. We clocked some serious miles and I was very impressed with how the car performed. But there was an odd issue, the car popped and sputtered a few times and actually died a few times. I chocked it up to a dirty fuel filter or a dying fuel pump. Checked the fuel filter, of which were perfect, and tested the fuel filter, which was also fine. So I paid closer attention to the issue and noticed the gauges specifically the tach going haywire when the popping was happening. So that led me to believe it was an electrical issue. Voltmeter was pegged at 14 volts so I knew it wasn't a voltage issue. I still replaced both batteries, added a new ground, replaced all power and ground wires, got the alternator tested, and check for any miscellaneous grounding issues. No dice. Went out for the next trip which was Thanksgiving and monitored the issue further to see if I could identify it more. After chatting with the PO he mentioned the car is warm blooded, it MUST be brought to temp before driving it. So this trip I let the car come up to a full 180* and go through at least a full fan cycle before driving it. The issue persisted and I began to notice it would really manifest itself on the first drive after a long pause since the last time it ran. But when the car started up on the second start up (which sometimes took several cranks), seemed to run just fine. So now I'm leaning towards a sensor issue. 

When I got home from thanksgiving I replaced the MAP sensor and checked the pins on the computer, as well as replaced plug wires and inspected the harness. Drove it around the neighborhood and it still popped and sputtered. Paid close attention to the fuel pressure regulator and noticed that it was completely losing fuel pressure on startup until all of a sudden the pump would fire back on and the car would start. So I figured it was a crankshaft sensor not sending signal to the computer. Replaced the crankshaft sensor and drove around the neighborhood and it seemed to go away. Bingo, loaded up for New Years very happy. Come first drive of our new years trip and pops, sputters, falls on its face and dies. So back to camp I go to replace the camshaft position sensor, TPS, and IAC. Go for a drive the next day and damn it's stilll doing it. But now the issue has narrowed itself down. The car starts well, idles well, runs up through 1st well, but as soon as you shift into second and give it some juice the car pops a few times and stalls. I can restart it, and off I go for a drive with no issues.

So now I'm almost positive it's a computer issue. And here's my logic:

Fuel Pump Failure? - If the Bosch 044 was failing it would be intermittent, not specific to a time, and would more than likely all together go out. Would not "decide" to run fine after second start up.

Fuel Filters? - Nope, clean as can be

Fuel Delivery? - 60lbs of pressure pinned under load

Sensors? - All replaced

Grounding issue? - new grounds

Lead issue? - New lead wires

Computer power? - Checked, good to go

Spark issues? - New wires and check coil packs. Wouldn't stall a whole motor if just a pack or wire was failing, but would run rough which car does not when running. 

So I started calling around to various engine builders to get their 2-cents. Redline was my first call because they did the engine install and harness in 2015. They said I checked everything they would and next thing was to put it on the dyno to check the computer and see if they could figure it out. CBM said the exact same thing. My hesitation with that was spending $1500 on a dyno session just to tell me my MEFI took a dump and I needed to replace it (which I'm now almost positive it is). I had 3 MEFIs fail in my old car and it's safe to say I'm not a fan, and now with the cease of manufacturing of MEFI units, I feel ZERO inclination to ever use one again.

So here's where I'm at now; I've decided to take the plunge and order a Holley Terminator X and do a mid-season rewire. I'll forego a January trip, get this knocked out and send it to dyno first week of February to get it dialed in and finish off the season strong. I was really hoping to kick this bucket into the off season, but it's either I call it a season or get it done. And I ain't done yet, especially if we have Baja in march/april.

My point of the novel: What say you? What haven't I looked at that you guys might? I'd like this passage to be of some help to someone who might experience similar issues in the future.

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Holley is a great route to go. If you’re in the San Diego area Dardan is a good place to get it tuned. One thing with the Holley is the harnesses are hit and miss. So be careful with that or spend the money for a quality custom harness. 

 
Holley is a great route to go. If you’re in the San Diego area Dardan is a good place to get it tuned. One thing with the Holley is the harnesses are hit and miss. So be careful with that or spend the money for a quality custom harness. 
CBM is doing a custom harness for me, i'll put it on the car, and it'll go back to them for tune. Brent over there has been more than helpful answering all my questions and providing some insight

 
I'd still replace the pump just to check that off the list, keep the old one as a spare.  I have an aeromotive A1000 pump, and last season I would have funky fuel pressure issues intermittent, I thought it was the regulator, so I rebuilt it... still happened again the next trip... decided to pull it and send it in to aeromotive for testing, and it was bad. Car would always start, run fine etc etc 

any idea what's casuing your Mefi's to fail?  I've had a couple different MEfi,s w/ no issues so far (knock on wood) 

 
I'd still replace the pump just to check that off the list, keep the old one as a spare.  I have an aeromotive A1000 pump, and last season I would have funky fuel pressure issues intermittent, I thought it was the regulator, so I rebuilt it... still happened again the next trip... decided to pull it and send it in to aeromotive for testing, and it was bad. Car would always start, run fine etc etc 

any idea what's casuing your Mefi's to fail?  I've had a couple different MEfi,s w/ no issues so far (knock on wood) 
Yea that's on the list as well. I have a spare fuel pump already, and a spare MEFI, but when trying both of them they didn't work...So not so good as spares haha. 

The first two on my last car were used that sat on a shelf for years, so no idea why they failed. When chatting with Brent at CBM and Redline, both kinda laughed when I mentioned I was strictly against using MEFIs and said they completely understood why. Which leads me to believe that I'm not the only one to have these issues.

At the end of the day this was on my list of to-dos to this car along with a new windshield to get rid of the welding mask it currently has. I was just hoping to not have to do it mid season. Is what it is

 
Yea that's on the list as well. I have a spare fuel pump already, and a spare MEFI, but when trying both of them they didn't work...So not so good as spares haha. 

The first two on my last car were used that sat on a shelf for years, so no idea why they failed. When chatting with Brent at CBM and Redline, both kinda laughed when I mentioned I was strictly against using MEFIs and said they completely understood why. Which leads me to believe that I'm not the only one to have these issues.

At the end of the day this was on my list of to-dos to this car along with a new windshield to get rid of the welding mask it currently has. I was just hoping to not have to do it mid season. Is what it is
gotcha... was just wondering if they were getting wet or hooked up to a charger constantly etc etc

I think all tuners prefer we all had 10k motec systems lol... I know the Mefi's don't have near the same tuning and safety parameters that you can do w/ other ECU's.

 
I am far from an expert on this (and I've had a couple mefi's go bad), but everything I hear about the Holley and the self learning is light years ahead of the mefi.  My new (to me) car runs a Holley and so far so good.

 
gotcha... was just wondering if they were getting wet or hooked up to a charger constantly etc etc

I think all tuners prefer we all had 10k motec systems lol... I know the Mefi's don't have near the same tuning and safety parameters that you can do w/ other ECU's.
If I had the pockets I'd go with Motec too haha. 

The main reason I don't like MEFI is exactly what I'm going through. There's no way to plug it in and run for diagnostic codes. If there was, I would have been done by now

 
I was going to say harness maybe?  Broken wire or something?

Holley is an awesome system.

I did the conversion last summer.

 
I was going to say harness maybe?  Broken wire or something?

Holley is an awesome system.

I did the conversion last summer.
Could be, I did a thorough visual check. But the only way to really check would be to Ohm out every plug i'd assume, and while it's firing

 
I HATE electrical issues.  I went from a Mefi 4b to the Holley Terminator X and I'm on my second season.  So far it's been flawless.  I had the car 95% rewired while it was getting the Terminator X installed.  I told my electrical guy to replace anyting he didn't like.  I should have ponied up for th 12" dash.  The Holley has way more info than my old Race Pack and with the larger dash I could see extra gauges easier. 

 
I HATE electrical issues.  I went from a Mefi 4b to the Holley Terminator X and I'm on my second season.  So far it's been flawless.  I had the car 95% rewired while it was getting the Terminator X installed.  I told my electrical guy to replace anyting he didn't like.  I should have ponied up for th 12" dash.  The Holley has way more info than my old Race Pack and with the larger dash I could see extra gauges easier. 
Good to hear you like it. I haven't heard much bad about it. I'll leave my dash as is with the current analog gauges, and in the off season probably go to a digital dash when I put in my larger Lowrance. I like the analog gauges, but wish I had more than just tach, volts, oil pressure, and water temp.

 
I just did the exact swap with the same engine setup. I had several problems over the last few years with the Mefi 4b, particularly fuel pump, ignition and fan control. I had a custom harness from CBM running the Mefi. I went with the Holey Terminator X and Holley’s harness. It was pretty straight forward but time consuming tearing out the old harness. I’m very happy with how it turned out!

 
The tach going crazy makes me think cam/crank issue with sensors or wiring. The terminator x has lights on the ecu to tell you if they are syncing properly. 

 
Holley Terminator x on mine and its been great. Highly suggest that route. 

As mentioned above- Dardan is legit for tuning.  Or if your up in OC i use Powertrain Dynamics. 

 
FWIW a car on that level I would just bite the bullet and go Motec.  I know Holley has their new relay pack setup and all, but IMHO everyone should really be going to solid state for everything, and Motec with PDMs is where it's at.  Of course, it doesn't come cheap, the Motec equipment and front-to-back rewire on my car was on the order of $30k.

-TJ

 
FWIW a car on that level I would just bite the bullet and go Motec.  I know Holley has their new relay pack setup and all, but IMHO everyone should really be going to solid state for everything, and Motec with PDMs is where it's at.  Of course, it doesn't come cheap, the Motec equipment and front-to-back rewire on my car was on the order of $30k.

-TJ
Yep, Reece has said the same thing to me about 17 times now  :classic_laugh:

I'd love to go Motec, but it's not in the cards for me at the moment. With the cost of the Holley, harness, and dyno it's a great price and gets me back in the dunes within the next few weeks. This isn't a car I see myself selling anytime soon, so maybe on the next round of upgrades i'll go Motec.

 
Yep, Reece has said the same thing to me about 17 times now  :classic_laugh:

I'd love to go Motec, but it's not in the cards for me at the moment. With the cost of the Holley, harness, and dyno it's a great price and gets me back in the dunes within the next few weeks. This isn't a car I see myself selling anytime soon, so maybe on the next round of upgrades i'll go Motec.
Yeah, that's fair and makes sense.  The cost is a lot, and for SURE you wouldn't be back in the dunes this season.  And to be fair, Holley stuff is awesome.  I just like/love the idea of all solid state, but I bet Holley ends up with PDMs soon...

-TJ

 
not trying to derail this thread by any means.   If your upgrading the rest of your car wiring wise, the switch pro seems to be a nice setup.  Its very simple and user friendly to install and that combined with the holley system and the pro dash gets you closer to that motec feel/function without as high of a cost. 

 
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