Tariffs

FIFY. We have the manpower, we're just competing with the free shit parade:

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Labor participation isn't exactly stellar. And a little more than 1 in 10 men in prime working age are participating now.
Good info!
It brings up another concern though. Do we want these basement dwelling, pronouned, snowflakes putting together our auto parts, prescriptions, electronics? 😬

This country needs to be ready for such a task, I hope we figure it out
 
Good info!
It brings up another concern though. Do we want these basement dwelling, pronouned, snowflakes putting together our auto parts, prescriptions, electronics? 😬

This country needs to be ready for such a task, I hope we figure it out
Alternative is Chinese Uyghur slaves. If they can do it, so can our snowflakes. Bonus is there would be a lot less bullshit rioting, etc.

Our parents' generation did it. The above is just participation and doesn't count towards unemployment. If you were unemployed in the 60s, there was something seriously wrong with you if you couldn't get a job. If you flat out didn't even try to get a job, you were a bum.
 
Here's an interesting take that I think most overlook.
Because manufacturing overseas got cheap, it opened up OPPORTUNITY for stateside men and women to create their own business that employ people. A good example is my business. I make/sell cocktail mixers, wearable goods, and vacation goods. I was able to build this business because I could get products manufactured at a lower barrier to entry, and subsequently grow the business and HIRE people. If I had to solely source from the US, I would have never started the business and never hired people. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of business like mine that employee MILLIONS of people across the US that would not exist if they couldn't source from overseas.

Now I've been trying really hard to get goods produced in the US, but for our margins and pricepoints it's simply not possible. My ingredients come from Mexico, fabrics from China, Portugal, and Vietnam. But we do our best to assemble/print/finish/package everything here in California.

With these new import taxes it could effectively end businesses like mine. Will it bring manufacturing back to the US? Maybe in the long run, but at the cost of killing hundreds of thousands of business that employee american citizens in the meantime. What we lost in manufacturing in the US, we supplemented with marketing, design, tech, order fulfillment, customer service, etc etc. Will it offset longterm? Maybe. But I hope it wont kill us in the meantime.

Best case scenario is other countries lower their tariffs because of this show of hand, we drop our increases, our exports go up building our GDP, and both sides of the argument are happy.

Simple answer for you is what many have done. Move your business out of California.

Cheap facility. Cheaper labor. Lower taxes.
 
Simple answer for you is what many have done. Move your business out of California.

Cheap facility. Cheaper labor. Lower taxes.
I've had conversations with factories and facilities from here to Florida, in every nook and cranny of the US. It's just not possible. Yes I can raise my prices, but guess who gets to feel that? The customer... So I either work with overseas manufacturing, or close my doors and lay my employees off.
 
I've had conversations with factories and facilities from here to Florida, in every nook and cranny of the US. It's just not possible. Yes I can raise my prices, but guess who gets to feel that? The customer... So I either work with overseas manufacturing, or close my doors and lay my employees off.

This part.
But we do our best to assemble/print/finish/package everything here in California.
 
This part.
Like I said, I've chatted with facilities across the US. Pricing does not get better than what I've built here. Sure some tax benefits elsewhere but not enough to offset the entirety of my operational costs and uprooting. I'm not a big operation. Sure if I had a business that was 50+ employees it would potentially be beneficial to move to somewhere that has lower minimum wage, less corporate tax, etc. But currently it would not offset the costs enough to justify moving manufacturing as well.
 
Suddenly, the same people who can't repay their student loans are experts about tariffs.
 
I believe tariffs can be a useful tool when used correctly. I also agree that we need a more balanced trade environment. If the current approach brings that in very short order then great! However, I'm concerned the current approach may be severely damaging if it doesn't end or at least get moderated very soon. I would prefer to see an approach where reciprocal tariffs are based on a product by product approach or tied specifically to what other countries are charging us. This current methodology using a basic GDP and trade delta calculation is a lazy approach that is is causing disruption more than necessary.
 
I believe tariffs can be a useful tool when used correctly. I also agree that we need a more balanced trade environment. If the current approach brings that in very short order then great! However, I'm concerned the current approach may be severely damaging if it doesn't end or at least get moderated very soon. I would prefer to see an approach where reciprocal tariffs are based on a product by product approach or tied specifically to what other countries are charging us. This current methodology using a basic GDP and trade delta calculation is a lazy approach that is is causing disruption more than necessary.

Exactly. No rhyme or reason for it. Just a flawed random formula that is not "reciprocal" at all . . .
 
Exactly. No rhyme or reason for it. Just a flawed random formula that is not "reciprocal" at all . . .
Should just be: any/all tariffs imposed on us are reflected back on all goods coming in. Have a 75% tariff on maple syrup? All goods coming from your country have a 75% tariff unless there's a really good reason for it.
 
I put all my 401K into Bonds before all the shenanigans started to happen, only lost about 3k instead of 100k,
 
You don't "lose" anything until you sell. Not sure why you all keep using this terminology and are stuck in that mindset.
This! And, who couldn't see this coming? There was plenty of time to get out of equities if you so chose to do so. Even before the tariffs the market was grossly overvalued and headed for some amount of correction. Treasuries are still decent. There are also some really good stock values right now, especially if you focus on dividends.
 
You don't "lose" anything until you sell. Not sure why you all keep using this terminology and are stuck in that mindset.
You are right, you don't lose until you take it out........

But if you put all of your money in a money market account and only transfer it to the market once a year or so. You defiantly got a big gain when you removed it from the Cash collum into the investment collum this morning.
 
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