SU Sand Cars New Building and Dyno

Deviantduner said:
No cars have open tube endings once done. They are open during build for running wiring etc inside of frame.
What is old school versus new school geometry? Honest question
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He makes this comment on every builder thread and IG, but Alumicraft. Anytime a Funco, Buckshot or SU is posted, it's the same comment. Don't get me wrong... I'm an Alumicraft guy myself... but a Gabe Agana and Dana - Alumicraft/ASC Speedmetal fan more than the rest of the company.
 
Toy Collector said:
He makes this comment on every builder thread and IG, but Alumicraft. Anytime a Funco, Buckshot or SU is posted, it's the same comment. Don't get me wrong... I'm an Alumicraft guy myself... but a Gabe Agana and Dana - Alumicraft/ASC Speedmetal fan more than the rest of the company.
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I have never made this comment anywhere else. I have said that Buckshots have a lot of bump steer and commented on some of the poor finish quality. These new SU cars are beautiful; the fit and finish is really nice. It's just an old school suspension design that will never function like a newer center mount. There are many cars I would love to own or build outside of an alumicraft... mattox/mason, podium, alpha, AZOP, everson, GET, and more!
 
Reece Pettersen said:
I have never made this comment anywhere else. I have said that Buckshots have a lot of bump steer and commented on some of the poor finish quality. These new SU cars are beautiful; the fit and finish is really nice. It's just an old school suspension design that will never function like a newer center mount. There are many cars I would love to own or build outside of an alumicraft... mattox/mason, podium, alpha, AZOP, everson, GET, and more!
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It took me about 37 seconds to find a comment of yours about cars with "proper" Suspension geometry...



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Reece Pettersen said:
I have never made this comment anywhere else. I have said that Buckshots have a lot of bump steer and commented on some of the poor finish quality. These new SU cars are beautiful; the fit and finish is really nice. It's just an old school suspension design that will never function like a newer center mount. There are many cars I would love to own or build outside of an alumicraft... mattox/mason, podium, alpha, AZOP, everson, GET, and more!
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I was truly curious what you considered old school geometry. This isn’t old school versus new school. Your comparing sand cars suspension to dual sport pre runner suspension
Ed’s new cars after mine, mine was car #1, have a bulkhead. That traditionally is used for true A arm and J arm cars (But still currently doing arms to outer frame rail )The added bulkhead makes it stronger and ready to do any style your wallet is willing to pay for. What you consider new school has been done for many many years.

Partial reason is weight savings, heavy in the sand isn’t a good thing
The biggest concern with that style, the A arms and bulkhead become stronger than the rest of the car. In dunes, if you lawn dart, it’s a much lower cost to replace a failed arm versus a bent chassis.

Your welcome to test drive my shit box and judge for yourself how old school it feels, lol
Pretty confident in a race I’ll smack the titties off your car :cool: . Note : I do love your car and you drive the piss out of it 🤘

Alumicraft top of its game with open end tubes, lol
One of the holes is likely sway bar mount, but ya get my point. Making comments from a snap shot of progress is just silly
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Deviantduner said:
I was truly curious what you considered old school geometry. This isn’t old school versus new school. Your comparing sand cars suspension to dual sport pre runner suspension
Ed’s new cars after mine, mine was car #1, have a bulkhead. That traditionally is used for true A arm and J arm cars (But still currently doing arms to outer frame rail )The added bulkhead makes it stronger and ready to do any style your wallet is willing to pay for. What you consider new school has been done for many many years.

Partial reason is weight savings, heavy in the sand isn’t a good thing
The biggest concern with that style, the A arms and bulkhead become stronger than the rest of the car. In dunes, if you lawn dart, it’s a much lower cost to replace a failed arm versus a bent chassis.

Your welcome to test drive my shit box and judge for yourself how old school it feels, lol
Pretty confident in a race I’ll smack the titties off your car :cool: . Note : I do love your car and you drive the piss out of it 🤘

Alumicraft top of its game with open end tubes, lol
One of the holes is likely sway bar mount, but ya get my point. Making comments from a snap shot of progress is just silly
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I went back and looked at the photos, the open tubes was on an older SU getting remodeled, and I was just referencing the rear cage where it terminates and they cap it. Doesn’t really matter, because the cars still have great lines.

The suspension design in the front just reminded me of early 2000s cars that don’t have a true style cm bulkhead. I asked a chassis designer and got this response, so I stand and corrected.

The so called “center Mount” isn’t necessarily better. Most sand cars have too much droop travel and just lift the nose way too high unloaded before tires come off ground, this design could elevate some of that potentially. Early 2000 car tillage 18-20” travel and worked fine, was just a strength issue for some.

Would love to dune with some of these newer cars and see them work in person!
 
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