New Kawi 250hp Supercharged SXS

1HasBeen said:
It will be very interesting to see if Kawi swings for the fences, or it's the typical half-hearted very calculated Jap effort.
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FIFY. . . . LOL

Japanese motorcycle manufacturers are known for producing reliable and consumer-desirable motorcycles, rather than focusing on extreme performance or cutting-edge technology in the same way as some other manufacturers. This is due to a few key factors: a strong focus on quality, consistent performance, and a deep understanding of what riders need.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Focus on Reliability and Durability:
Japanese manufacturers prioritize building motorcycles that are reliable and long-lasting, often at the expense of pushing the boundaries of speed or technology. They achieve this through rigorous testing, meticulous engineering, and a commitment to using high-quality materials.
Emphasis on Practicality and Everyday Use:
Japanese motorcycles are often designed with a focus on ease of use and everyday practicality. This includes features like comfortable seating, efficient fuel consumption, and easy maintenance.
Incremental Innovation:
While Japanese manufacturers are not always at the forefront of radical new technology, they consistently innovate in ways that improve the overall riding experience. This can include subtle changes to suspension, engine performance, or ergonomics.
Strong Brand Reputation:
The Japanese motorcycle industry has built a strong reputation for reliability and quality over decades. This reputation attracts customers who value dependability and are willing to pay a premium for it.
Mass Production Efficiency:
Japanese manufacturers are highly skilled at mass production, allowing them to offer reliable motorcycles at competitive prices.
Cultural Influence:
There is a strong cultural emphasis on craftsmanship and detail in Japan, which translates into the high quality and attention to detail seen in their motorcycles.
Consumer Demand:
In many ways, Japanese manufacturers are responsive to the desires of their customers, who often prioritize reliability and value over extreme performance
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Crusty said:
FIFY. . . . LOL



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I have experienced the mythical "very calculated" Jap quality numerous times.

1982 XT250 with a sour engine right out of the crate. They stalled long enough to eat up the warranty.

1996 V-Max 500XT with facked up suspension geometry that they knew was NFG, but released it anyway. Worth absolutely nothing on trade, as by that time everyone knew it was a dud.

1992 4-Runner with the infamous, gutless 3VZE head gasket muncher V-6, plus a multitude of other failures.

Very, very calculated.
 
NIKAL said:
I’ve asked around to a few guys that might know something, and no one will give me even a hint to a release date. One dealership told me that they are hopeful and thinking this summer, but I’m thinking closer to 4th quarter of this year. It would make total sense to release it around the Sand Show, to leverage the show and hype up the car. But we will see?

I wish we could just get dimensional specs. I’m really curious on width and wheelbase, and how it compares to the current KRX.
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Someone with connections to Kawi said to me that he expects we will see this car by the sand show if not even sooner.
 
NIKAL said:
I’m thinking it’s wider than 72. The KXR is already 68. I’m thinking 74 or 76 at the outside of the wheel. It also depends on where they measure from too.
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74"-76" puts it with the Pro R and Mav R. Any information on whether this is a completely new frame and suspension versus beefing up the existing KRX?

I sure hope they find a way to put a 18 gallon fuel tank in it. A super charger likes to drink fuel.
 
1HasBeen said:
I have experienced the mythical "very calculated" Jap quality numerous times.



1992 4-Runner with the infamous, gutless 3VZE head gasket muncher V-6, plus a multitude of other failures.

Very, very calculated.
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Amazing. 33 years later, you're still upset about one of their first V6 motors ever produced having an issue... when every one after that has been virtually bullet proof.

My family went through the same shit... 1995 4runner... multiple trips to fix this issue. Guess what? We sold it and have since bought THREE Tundra's, two 4runners and a Tacoma that haven't had ANY issues. None. Not sure what the "multitude of other failures" are, we experienced none. Additionally, my High School Math teacher that bought her 1994 4X4 in... 1994... is STILL driving hers around TODAY. Multitude of other failures... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I LOVE how people focus on that Head Gasket issue and consider it a "nail in the coffin" when everything after that has been damn near perfect... far more than the domestic manufacturers.

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Toy Collector said:
Amazing. 33 years later, you're still upset about one of their first V6 motors ever produced having an issue... when every one after that has been virtually bullet proof.

My family went through the same shit... 1995 4runner... multiple trips to fix this issue. Guess what? We sold it and have since bought THREE Tundra's, two 4runners and a Tacoma that haven't had ANY issues. None. Not sure what the "multitude of other failures" are, we experienced none. Additionally, my High School Math teacher that bought her 1994 4X4 in... 1994... is STILL driving hers around TODAY. Multitude of other failures... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I LOVE how people focus on that Head Gasket issue and consider it a "nail in the coffin" when everything after that has been damn near perfect... far more than the domestic manufacturers.

🤣
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Issues? Suspension creaking issue from day one that turned out to be shock mounts, after wasting numerous trips to the dealer I found/fixed it myself. A/C Failure and recall requiring dash removal that they botched. A horrendous brake bias design issue that made it a very real danger to drive on ice(we lived back east then). I reduced it a bunch by modifying the load sensing bias valve on the rear axle. It started randomly downshifting into first or second gear at highway speeds, and that will wake you up! Dealer kept dicking around , "Unable To Duplicate Issue". I kept telling them to replace the speed sensor, but they insisted it couldn't be. It was the speed sensor. Interior plastic bits broke like our old Bronco II LOL, and we are not hard on stuff. ABS sensor on the rear axle. There was plenty more, but you get the picture. Also, they advertised it as port injection, which technically it was, but when you read the shop manual you find out it was not sequential, it fired bank-to-bank, and had a "shower head" nozzle in intake for cold starts. Would have been better off with TBI. My uncle had a '91 pickup with the 3VZE and it went back to the dealer on a rollback more than once. At least his didn't have the head gasket issue.


How about their current Tundra V6 disaster? The new Tacoma hasn't gone so well either. But, my point is the Japs, until these current issues, always get a free pass, and the "bullet proof" myth gets perpetuated. They have built plenty of crap, just the same as everyone else.
 
1HasBeen said:
Issues? Suspension creaking issue from day one that turned out to be shock mounts, after wasting numerous trips to the dealer I found/fixed it myself. A/C Failure and recall requiring dash removal that they botched. A horrendous brake bias design issue that made it a very real danger to drive on ice(we lived back east then). I reduced it a bunch by modifying the load sensing bias valve on the rear axle. It started randomly downshifting into first or second gear at highway speeds, and that will wake you up! Dealer kept dicking around , "Unable To Duplicate Issue". I kept telling them to replace the speed sensor, but they insisted it couldn't be. It was the speed sensor. Interior plastic bits broke like our old Bronco II LOL, and we are not hard on stuff. ABS sensor on the rear axle. There was plenty more, but you get the picture. Also, they advertised it as port injection, which technically it was, but when you read the shop manual you find out it was not sequential, it fired bank-to-bank, and had a "shower head" nozzle in intake for cold starts. Would have been better off with TBI. My uncle had a '91 pickup with the 3VZE and it went back to the dealer on a rollback more than once. At least his didn't have the head gasket issue.


How about their current Tundra V6 disaster? The new Tacoma hasn't gone so well either. But, my point is the Japs, until these current issues, always get a free pass, and the "bullet proof" myth gets perpetuated. They have built plenty of crap, just the same as everyone else.
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I know AT LEAST a dozen people, personally... that have had that generation 4Runner or Truck... from 1990 to 1995. NONE of them had any of the issues that you just threw out. The ONLY issue any of them had was the Head Gasket, if they had the V6.

Interior plastic cheap? This is yet another first time hearing this. That generation actually had the best interior out of all 4runners. I currently have a 5th Gen, have had two first gen's and my Mom had the 1995. My Mom's interior was SOLID, never squeaked and help up very well to her use (Mom vehicle) and looked new when we sold it in 2006. I'm a Car Audio Installer... have been for 34 years now. For you to say the 4Runner interior bits broke like an BRONCO II, is COMPLETE bullshit. Complete, 100% BS.

You said, "You get the picture". I don't. No 1990 - 1995 Toyotas I have heard of have ever had the issues you are outlining. Not one.

The current Tundras? Once again... it's an entire new design that is brand new. I know a couple of guys that have Tundras... not one issue. They love them and take them on road trips, regularly. There are at least 6 NEW Tacomas in our parking lot right now and I've talked to four of those owners... they love them and have no issues. Once again... I'm using real world info here... have talked to REAL PEOPLE that have vehicles I can touch... not going off of YouTube. One friend has had his Tundra for three years now, loves it.

Is Toyota having issues? Yes. Have they had Issues in the past, yes. They are still one of, if not the best vehicle manufacturers out there. Period.

How's that GM Stop Ship going?

 
Toy Collector said:
I know AT LEAST a dozen people, personally... that have had that generation 4Runner or Truck... from 1990 to 1995. NONE of them had any of the issues that you just threw out. The ONLY issue any of them had was the Head Gasket, if they had the V6.

Interior plastic cheap? This is yet another first time hearing this. That generation actually had the best interior out of all 4runners. I currently have a 5th Gen, have had two first gen's and my Mom had the 1995. My Mom's interior was SOLID, never squeaked and help up very well to her use (Mom vehicle) and looked new when we sold it in 2006. I'm a Car Audio Installer... have been for 34 years now. For you to say the 4Runner interior bits broke like an BRONCO II, is COMPLETE bullshit. Complete, 100% BS.

You said, "You get the picture". I don't. No 1990 - 1995 Toyotas I have heard of have ever had the issues you are outlining. Not one.

The current Tundras? Once again... it's an entire new design that is brand new. I know a couple of guys that have Tundras... not one issue. They love them and take them on road trips, regularly. There are at least 6 NEW Tacomas in our parking lot right now and I've talked to four of those owners... they love them and have no issues. Once again... I'm using real world info here... have talked to REAL PEOPLE that have vehicles I can touch... not going off of YouTube. One friend has had his Tundra for three years now, loves it.

Is Toyota having issues? Yes. Have they had Issues in the past, yes. They are still one of, if not the best vehicle manufacturers out there. Period.

How's that GM Stop Ship going?

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You can call it bullshit all you want if I have bruised your Toyopet pride, but everything I typed is 100% factual. I have owned dozens upon dozens of vehicles for both business and personal use, and that 4-Skin was one of the worst, hands down. I don't drink anyone's Kool Aid. Junk is junk.
 
1HasBeen said:
You can call it bullshit all you want if I have bruised your Toyopet pride, but everything I typed is 100% factual. I have owned dozens upon dozens of vehicles for both business and personal use, and that 4-Skin was one of the worst, hands down. I don't drink anyone's Kool Aid. Junk is junk.
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I call bullshit... with a Megaphone.

My family has owned Toyotas, Chevys and Fords. My Dad's Blazer's and Bronco's were the biggest POS's I've ever touched. You're not bruising my Toyota Pride, I've been a Quality Manager for numerous companies for a 1/4 of a century for Medical and Semi Conductor companies and know what actual junk is, not just emotional dislike.

I installed speakers on a co-workers 1991 Chevy pickup... in 2004. 13 year old truck. The rear panel along back window literally disintegrated when I used the proper panel tools to remove it. He had to buy an entire new panel when I was done because it was like Pie Crust... much like the Bronco II entire interior panels. I've worked on hundreds of Toyota's... never had that happen... ever.

No comment on that Chevy Stop Ship, eh? Weird... Toyota doesn't have that going on. 🤣 (y)
 
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I was shop foreman for Longo Toyota, during the "head gasket" incident.

Toyota lost their ass and the shop made cubic buckets of money!!! 😁

I've worked for Seven different manufacturers. American, Jap and German and all of them have their issues. (Except maybe Bentley. They were just about purrrrfect).

But I'll tell you guys this...

Toyota used what's called "just in time" manufacturing. If a defect pops up, they will alter the assembly line to fix it. Most others will wait till the next year's model to fix it, and just deal with the warranty issues.

I've been Personally involved in this process. I've diagnosed problems that nobody's ever heard about, cause they were resolved ASAP.

Cars are machines. Machines break.

It's how you handle those break downs, that separate the men from the boys.
 
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