any AZ pool pros out there? Cartridge filter housing cracked

Go talk to the old guys at B&B pools on Baseline & McClintock across from Target right behind Senior Taco. I find those guys to be very helpful.
 
Frazr said:
I was in the same situation with Shasta August 2024. Back then they charged us $1,015 for the 520cc system and kept it on the Lifetime Warranty. System is 4 cartridges as opposed to 8. It works as it should and back up cartridges are less money and less time consuming to clean.
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Lifetime warranty seems to be not my lifetime, as they want about the same to replace mine under warranty. If its a lifetime warranty and parts are no longer available then i believe they should provide a new one and just charge me their stupid $70 service fee. I have to dig out my contract when we had it built 20 years ago and see what it says about the warranty.
 
megadesertdiesel said:
Lifetime warranty seems to be not my lifetime, as they want about the same to replace mine under warranty. If its a lifetime warranty and parts are no longer available then i believe they should provide a new one and just charge me their stupid $70 service fee. I have to dig out my contract when we had it built 20 years ago and see what it says about the warranty.
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I agree 100%. I'm happy they've warrantied my pool as long as they have. When Leslie's took over I thought the end was near.
 
megadesertdiesel said:
Lifetime warranty seems to be not my lifetime, as they want about the same to replace mine under warranty. If its a lifetime warranty and parts are no longer available then i believe they should provide a new one and just charge me their stupid $70 service fee. I have to dig out my contract when we had it built 20 years ago and see what it says about the warranty.
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Lifetime warranty is never your lifetime, it is the lifetime of the product, determine by them. They still control the end result, sucks but reality.
 
Lifetime warranties is for pool structure not pool equipment. Shasta only offers 5 year on pool equipment not lifetime
Filter cycles are dependent on how many gallons and gpm the pump flows. In general 6-8 hours winter, 8-12 hours summer. Goal is to cycle the entire pool every 24 hours. Variable speed pumps change the turn over rate times. As they can run 24hours a day on low speed and use less energy than a single speed running 6 hours.
The debate between sand de and cartridge is typically determined by region.
Sand filters, very efficient media and natural process. With minimal maintenance. But requires large footprint, and when it is time to replace sand it’s a fukin mess. And the average pool guy has little experience with them unless you’re on east coast.
DE filters, filter down to the lowest microns, cleaning is a shit show and leaves DE field of mess behind. And many cities in CA no longer allow DE backwash to be plumbed to sewer. So you have to backwash within your property. More mess. Also cleaning the elements, people always get confused on where the small grid goes, forget standpipe orings and dump de back into the pool on start up. Backwash orings fail.
Cartridge filters, are within 2 microns of DE. Not visible with naked eye or water clarity. Very easy to clean and debris can go in lawn or sidewalk and washed away. With cartridge bigger is always better. Unless you have a spa I’d suggest getting a 520 sq ft filter on every pool/pool spa combo.
Also hybrid cartridge / de filters that are cartridge filters with 2 elements inside. That you add de and ability to backwash, some guys love em, I’m not a fan
Also aquastars cart filters, theyve been around a few years now, smallest footprint, highest flow rate, easiest filter to open and close for cleaning. No personal experience, but service guys are selling and using them with great results.

Any and all filters should be cleaned every 6 months at minimum

If your cleaning more often than that it’s likely your filter is under sized or oils on cartridge clogging the fabric and need to replace or your “cleaning” skills suck. lol

Norco - unless your pool backs up to equestrian ranch, or you have dirt lot everywhere around pool that your drive on daily, or outside dogs that use pool as their daily bath. You should be getting 4 months min between cleans winds or not. 20 bucks DE is not enough for 5-6 filter cleans unless your filter is 24 sf. Largest bag of DE would be 2 maybe 3 cleanings on avg filter. Unless your doing backwash and not “ cleaning “
If not adding enough DE the grids will get clogged in days making pressure sky rocket and require cleaning again and again and again

As far as what equipment Pentair, Hayward, Jandy are all similar products. No unit is superior to the other. It’s the back end of why sellers push one over the other. Who they have better relationship with for warranty. Next is who gives better incentives ( kickbacks )
Personally I’m motivated by warranty station relationships. If and when there’s a problem I want to make a call and have it priority to get fixed asap. Less down time for a customer = confidence is person who did the work
West coast has been dominated by pentair for years.
Jandy and Hayward last few years have dropped their pants on rebate incentive dollars to sellers. Not that either are bad products, just makes a buyer question motivation if they know seller gets 20% kickback for every item sold.

What other pool questions we got?
 
Muriatic acid, Liquid chlorine and beginning of summer raise the cyuranic acid a touch and crystal clear everyday. Liquid chlorine is everyday in summer but 30sec. Is better than being sold all the snake oil the pool I mean chemical store has.

I’ve had all filters. For me sand is the easiest. I changed the sand once (really you shouldn't need to, as long as pool is balanced). It was pretty easy for me. I would always go that route again. But my pool days are over starting Friday. See ya AZ!
 
If you are replacing your main filter I highly recommend adding a prefilled. Our new Shasta pool has one and it changed my damn life, only need to clean my system 3 filter twice a year now. During monsoon season it will filter 2 inches of dust each storm. Drain it and good as new.

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Waterco MultiCyclone 16 Centrifugal Filter | Pre-Filter 2" 50 mm Model

Revolutionize removing swiming pool dirt and debris with MultiCyclone 16 Centrifugal Filter. Shasta Pool Supply markets the best products that make a different in pool maintenance.
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Azdunerat said:
If you are replacing your main filter I highly recommend adding a prefilled. Our new Shasta pool has one and it changed my damn life, only need to clean my system 3 filter twice a year now. During monsoon season it will filter 2 inches of dust each storm. Drain it and good as new.

shastapoolsupply.com

Waterco MultiCyclone 16 Centrifugal Filter | Pre-Filter 2" 50 mm Model

Revolutionize removing swiming pool dirt and debris with MultiCyclone 16 Centrifugal Filter. Shasta Pool Supply markets the best products that make a different in pool maintenance.
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Now this looks like a great idea, just like a Donaldson or S&B particle Seperator for our offroad toys. One concern would be flow and pressure raised due to the extra restriction it adds. Would it put a strain on the variable speed pump?
 
megadesertdiesel said:
Now this looks like a great idea, just like a Donaldson or S&B particle Seperator for our offroad toys. One concern would be flow and pressure raised due to the extra restriction it adds. Would it put a strain on the variable speed pump?
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Our pool has a variable speed pump and it works perfect.
 
megadesertdiesel said:
Now this looks like a great idea, just like a Donaldson or S&B particle Seperator for our offroad toys. One concern would be flow and pressure raised due to the extra restriction it adds. Would it put a strain on the variable speed pump?
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The pre filters are great, if doing the aquastar filter you should have plenty of room to add it
The draw back on an existing pool with traditional filter is footprint to add the pre filter, they’re big and tend to sit high.
On new pools can adjust equipment lay out to accommodate.

Variable speed is perfect any pool and filter situation, since you can adjust flow to what ever needed. But both pre filters and aquastar can handle higher flow than traditional cart and de filters anyway.
 
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