What’s the skinny on PBS transmissions?

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I have another thread going on searching for buggy’s for sale. A few have popped up and I’ve seen a few elsewhere that have a PBS transmission. Now I know back in the day that wasn’t a bad deal but now I’ve read a lot about PBS not being good for repairs? Something like you can’t get replacement cases or parts for them? Does this only pertain to certain ones or is it across the board? Thanks

 
I would give Rancho or Weddle a call. Not sure how much info they have but they can probably provide some insight.

 
PBS was basically a copy of the Mendi S4/S5 with a few alterations to the shift system and housings, but they were still never 100% reliable with shifting and still have housings that crack/break. Most notable issues are bad shifting or "ghost" shifts, where the shift lever is pulled/pushed to upshift/downshift to the next gear, but the shift mechanism inside does not shift into the next gear (common problem with pre-Weddle Mendeola sequentials as well). 

PBS is now defunct as of early 2020. Any specific PBS parts that are broken will not be able to be purchased new. Can use most of the internals to install into new Weddle housings for around $7000.
the quote above was from @Sean@Weddle in THIS thread.

Bob

 
No new PBS cases available. If it breaks you may be SOL. Not sure how common case failures are though. @tjZ06 has a heavy foot and 500ish BHP to his PBS S4 and I pulled it twice for R&P over a few seasons. Case was always good. 

 
I think with anything pbs is no longer making parts but there plants around still. 

 
the quote above was from @Sean@Weddle in THIS thread.

Bob
I would check with Sean the shift set up on the car you are looking at in the other thread looks to be pbs h pattern shifter that is what is on my 2D , not sure about the cases on there h pattern box’s or internal parts from Weddle. 

 
I would check with Sean the shift set up on the car you are looking at in the other thread looks to be pbs h pattern shifter that is what is on my 2D , not sure about the cases on there h pattern box’s or internal parts from Weddle. 
Same thing I was thinking

 
No new PBS cases available. If it breaks you may be SOL. Not sure how common case failures are though. @tjZ06 has a heavy foot and 500ish BHP to his PBS S4 and I pulled it twice for R&P over a few seasons. Case was always good. 
A lot more than 500 BHP, the lowest it ever did was the 518 RWHP when it was a NA 454 (4.185 x 4.125 in a sleeved LS block, not a big block) which is more like 700 BHP using ~25% drive train loss.  Yes, I have a heavy foot, but I also don't really charge the whoops, I don't clutch-kick, etc.  Like you said I slaughtered two R&P but that's the same 10" R&P a Mendi S4S would have.  I did have the occasional "ghost shift" described above.  Pretty rarely on upshifts, but pretty often on downshifts.  I found it liked me to just put a little pressure in the clutch for downshifts, vs. full pedal stroke.  I didn't always do the light graze of the clutch though, years and years of GM six speeds in Camaros and 'vettes has my left leg pretty trained to clutch-in for every shift up or down...

-TJ

 
I just realized I didn’t specify which trans I was talking about. Looking for info on the H pattern PBS not the sequential.

 
I just realized I didn’t specify which trans I was talking about. Looking for info on the H pattern PBS not the sequential.
I was also thinking you could ask Sean about dimensions between the PBS and a 2D in case it came down to a swap might not be as bad as one would think.

 
A lot more than 500 BHP, the lowest it ever did was the 518 RWHP when it was a NA 454 (4.185 x 4.125 in a sleeved LS block, not a big block) which is more like 700 BHP using ~25% drive train loss.  Yes, I have a heavy foot, but I also don't really charge the whoops, I don't clutch-kick, etc.  Like you said I slaughtered two R&P but that's the same 10" R&P a Mendi S4S would have.  I did have the occasional "ghost shift" described above.  Pretty rarely on upshifts, but pretty often on downshifts.  I found it liked me to just put a little pressure in the clutch for downshifts, vs. full pedal stroke.  I didn't always do the light graze of the clutch though, years and years of GM six speeds in Camaros and 'vettes has my left leg pretty trained to clutch-in for every shift up or down...

-TJ
We had 2 broken PBS S4 Cases in our group - Both were due to a Gear breaking and a piece getting wedged and breaking the case - One broke out a Bearing mount, the other broke out the bottom of the case.  I think the cases are strong, but its the other pieces that can take them out. 

I ran one for 3 seasons with close 900HP with a cooler frequent oil changes  and never had an issue. They are a good trans  - But  If I got a car with one now (assuming its NOT the RD4 which has no future except the main case is same as the S4 - so think spare parts ...) and was the S4 or H4 I would figure the 7K+ for the Weddle upgrade into the cost of the car

 
I just realized I didn’t specify which trans I was talking about. Looking for info on the H pattern PBS not the sequential.
The H pattern RD4 has/had some issues but could be upgrade to an S4. That isn't an option anymore. If you blow out a case you can move a lot of parts from the PBS S4 to a Mendeola S4 and save some money over a new or even a used trans. 

The biggest issues is getting gears and Ring & Pinions for all makes. I may be off here but I believe Weddle get the gears from Australia. Sadly it looks more like a Nazi concentration camp than a free country. I think it is probably lost to communism for the foreseeable future. Hopefully Weddle will start sourcing gears here or we're all going to have to buy golfcarts. 

 
I have another thread going on searching for buggy’s for sale. A few have popped up and I’ve seen a few elsewhere that have a PBS transmission. Now I know back in the day that wasn’t a bad deal but now I’ve read a lot about PBS not being good for repairs? Something like you can’t get replacement cases or parts for them? Does this only pertain to certain ones or is it across the board? Thanks
Went back and looked at the other thread with the Tech3 car. Your option would be a 2d set up for mid engine and you could use the PBS cable shifter that is mounted to it. Of course this IS if or when it failed. Chances are good in that light a car with the set up, it would be some where down the road. But it is a used car so one never knows for sure, but a 2d would be my fix should it break.

 
Went back and looked at the other thread with the Tech3 car. Your option would be a 2d set up for mid engine and you could use the PBS cable shifter that is mounted to it. Of course this IS if or when it failed. Chances are good in that light a car with the set up, it would be some where down the road. But it is a used car so one never knows for sure, but a 2d would be my fix should it break.
This is my concern. I don’t want to buy something if down the road I have to completely change the set up. I’m very familiar with how a trans will last longer in a light weight car, smaller hp, smaller tires, etc. Eventually it’s gonna need a freshen up so my concern is if that’s even possible? I’m also aware that getting parts for anything right now is a crap shoot, but if parts aren’t even made anymore, than that doesn’t seem like a smart choice.

 
This is my concern. I don’t want to buy something if down the road I have to completely change the set up. I’m very familiar with how a trans will last longer in a light weight car, smaller hp, smaller tires, etc. Eventually it’s gonna need a freshen up so my concern is if that’s even possible? I’m also aware that getting parts for anything right now is a crap shoot, but if parts aren’t even made anymore, than that doesn’t seem like a smart choice.
So maybe factor this into the purchase price. Imo, the Tech 3 cars are great dune cars and if I was in the market for this size-type of car I wouldn't let the PBS deter me. Bank on never being able to repair it and in the mean time keep your eyes open for a deal on a 2d. I love the fact that the new sand car world requires s4 or better now. This should help the 2d users a bunch.

 
Finding a used 2d set up for mid engine used to be a hard thing to do.

 
Finding a used 2d set up for mid engine used to be a hard thing to do.
Changing a 2d to mid engine is not hard to do. Swap the carrier to other side and set back lash and preload. The PBS shifter requires a little work on the shift rods, mostly the reverse rod.

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