If you live in AZ or NV are you worried about the water crisis?

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Lake Mead is looking pretty bad ... Powell is also at critical levels... In fact the Colorado has been drying up for 100 years but population explosion and all it brings ... and drought 

It's not looking good.  At the best Electricity and water will cost a lot more and you will not run completely out until 2060. Construction and new home build's are already not being permitted in some places.  At worst it will be a complete collapse in the next 5 years. 

CA may suck in many ways, but they are already planning several desalination plants (even the Salton Sea) and have hired an Israeli firm that did theirs to get CA plants started.

 I am sure the Justification in CA is that you have to have water for the homeless :-) 

I am not sure what I would do If I lived in AZ and So NV  right now ....

 
Where aren't they not permitting house building due to water? 15,600 are planned in the high desert 30 miles North of me in one community. Plenty of other smaller tracts in construction. 1900 homes in the Disney community going in Rancho Mirage. My beef with the water crisis here in Ca. is that more and more homes (Tax revenue) keep going in but we keep having to cut back on water. 

 
In the town in Wittmann, Az. where we will be building a home soon, there are no well restrictions. The well drillers say a well of 600' in depth is more than adequate. 

Most of our surface water here in Maricopa County, from Lake Pleasant, is used for crop irrigation. Almost all of the treated wastewater from Phoenix is pumped to the Palo Verde generating station in Tonapah and used to cool the reactors.

Homes are going up everywhere there is a few open acres here, I still don't quite understand where the demand has come from though.

Water availability is on my mind but on the flipside of it all, the county wouldn't be issuing building and well permits if there was an imminent danger of running out of ground water. You have to trust the local governments decisions regarding these things, most municipalities and such do the right thing for everyone around here. Not all government entities are crooked.

 
Water availability is on my mind but on the flipside of it all, the county wouldn't be issuing building and well permits if there was an imminent danger of running out of ground water. You have to trust the local governments decisions regarding these things, most municipalities and such do the right thing for everyone around here. Not all government entities are crooked.
The state has already put a hold on any new lots of over 5 in quantity that do not have some form of approved water rights with the property.  Water rights are usually approved with a 50 year promise that the water company will supply water. They are already having concerns with that forecast, hence the pause on new lot permits.   The work around are these "build to rent" homes, mobile parks, or apartments thay are just 1 lot and still getting a pass.  

Regardless, what is now being done is recharge basins where they are drilling holes, basically like wells, that will help recharge the under ground aquifers. 

It is something to think about for sure but the state is somewhat making moves to mitigate the long term effects.

I'm more worried about electricity.  My BIL helps "buy energy" for SRP. The shenanigans that thre AZ commission is pulling with SRP to force them to go green is gonna absolutely increase costs to the consumer that are unheard of.

 
The state has already put a hold on any new lots of over 5 in quantity that do not have some form of approved water rights with the property.  Water rights are usually approved with a 50 year promise that the water company will supply water. They are already having concerns with that forecast, hence the pause on new lot permits.   The work around are these "build to rent" homes, mobile parks, or apartments thay are just 1 lot and still getting a pass.  

Regardless, what is now being done is recharge basins where they are drilling holes, basically like wells, that will help recharge the under ground aquifers. 

It is something to think about for sure but the state is somewhat making moves to mitigate the long term effects.

I'm more worried about electricity.  My BIL helps "buy energy" for SRP. The shenanigans that thre AZ commission is pulling with SRP to force them to go green is gonna absolutely increase costs to the consumer that are unheard of.
I wonder how much of the groundwater problem is from all the concrete culverts we’ve installed…

 
Where aren't they not permitting house building due to water? 15,600 are planned in the high desert 30 miles North of me in one community. Plenty of other smaller tracts in construction. 1900 homes in the Disney community going in Rancho Mirage. My beef with the water crisis here in Ca. is that more and more homes (Tax revenue) keep going in but we keep having to cut back on water. 
I read it somewhere recently - need to see if I bookmarked it -

Friend sent me this last month as well

https://grist.org/housing/rio-verde-foothills-arizona-water-megadrought/

I hope it all works out - but "The Government is handling it"  ....

 
Only a few miles from Wittman there is surface level water flowing...
Was there yesterday. Dam near full(no pun)!

I’ve also  heard that the salt and verde river feed aqueducts under Phoenix that are the size of 17 Saguaro lakes and we emptied only to fix some inlet type things and are back to filling it up from this water source. 

 
I thought this biggest consumption of the water was the farms, not houses? Regardless, I don’t know why they just don’t get started on the fix. There is ample water to solve the entire southwest region water needs by utilizing the Columbia River. The only real obstacle is that Siskiyou Montains. I don’t know why they can’t just use a TBM and run some tunnels to avoid having to pump the water over the top. There is enough water going out the Columbia to fill Shasta, Powell, Mead and more. Govt just needs to pull their heads out their a-holes and solve real problems. But if you take our water, you have to pay us back by taking our homeless too 😀😀

 
On solar and a well here so not too worried about cost.  If the well runs dry, at least the city water pipes are in the street.  We just don't want to pay to tap them when our well water is better than the water the city delivers.

 
I thought this biggest consumption of the water was the farms, not houses? Regardless, I don’t know why they just don’t get started on the fix. There is ample water to solve the entire southwest region water needs by utilizing the Columbia River. The only real obstacle is that Siskiyou Montains. I don’t know why they can’t just use a TBM and run some tunnels to avoid having to pump the water over the top. There is enough water going out the Columbia to fill Shasta, Powell, Mead and more. Govt just needs to pull their heads out their a-holes and solve real problems. But if you take our water, you have to pay us back by taking our homeless too 😀😀
I was just up in the PNW the last two weeks. There are water sources galore. I was commenting to my wife that I wish we could ship it south. They seem to have an over abundance of it.  

 
I was just up in the PNW the last two weeks. There are water sources galore. I was commenting to my wife that I wish we could ship it south. They seem to have an over abundance of it.  
We have had the wettest spring on record. Rivers are running at flood stage and it’s mid June. Mass amounts of water flowing out of the Columbia into the Pacific every day.

 
I thought this biggest consumption of the water was the farms, not houses? Regardless, I don’t know why they just don’t get started on the fix. There is ample water to solve the entire southwest region water needs by utilizing the Columbia River. The only real obstacle is that Siskiyou Montains. I don’t know why they can’t just use a TBM and run some tunnels to avoid having to pump the water over the top. There is enough water going out the Columbia to fill Shasta, Powell, Mead and more. Govt just needs to pull their heads out their a-holes and solve real problems. But if you take our water, you have to pay us back by taking our homeless too 😀😀
You already owe us for that deal.  Your homeless are here.  Where is our water?

 
I can’t speak for NV but in AZ’s densely populated areas, Phoenix and Tucson included, we have the most regulated and dependable water resource assurance process in the Country, with all new housing developments (and since like 86’) of scale going through a rigorous compliance process that proves that there is at least a 100 year supply of water for all new homes (there are many large vacant parcels on the outskirts of town, particularly in Buckeye where land owners have been unable to prove this up). Phoenix sits upon a vast aquifer that is the basin to which a massive portion of AZ drains. The Salt, Verde and Gila river basins are not in drought and supply both the PHX aquifer in general and through dam and canal diversion to water treatment plants that serve our potable water needs. The Colorado River basin is in extreme drought. Some AZ agriculture, particularly the Pinal County Ag, which took lowest priority CAP water rights in exchange for reduced rates, will be cut off from the CAP (Colorado river water) and will then start once again draining that aquifer (not same aquifer as metro PHX). ADWR has already cut off new development from using ground water in the Pinal AMA for 100-year certificate purposes. 
CAL has much bigger problems. It relies on the Colorado river basin for much more of its water and only has 25-year certificate regs. Water right transfers from Imperial Valley Users Association (largest allocation of Colorado River water of any entity) to San Diego and elsewhere are at risk. Ag wells are going dry all across CA for a decade. CA has way over used its water, AZ has not (generally and in PHX for sure, but not for rural AZ where Ag is prevalent, many of those areas have over withdrawn acquirers but almost all of those areas do not get CO river water and are thus not really part of this “Crisis” discussion, those areas have just over used and may/are experiencing dry well conditions). Due mostly to Ag use. Phoenix in fact is using less water now overall than it did in 1980 (when it had 1/3 of current population) through retirement of ag land to housing which uses on average 1/3 of water that flood irrigation farming uses. Yes the main Phoenix WW treatment plant pumps much of its effluent to Palo Verde generating station, but that may end due to rate increases deemed unaffordable to Palo Verde (they are looking at alternatives) but even with that, that water treatment plant is just PHX (takes flows from portions of few other Cities) but there are 20 other treatment plants in the Phoenix metro area, all either pumping that water or settlement basin leaching that water back into the aquifer or using it to supplement potable water in landscape irrigation. Existing and and brand new communities in Phoenix or Pinal or Tucson or Prescott AMAs are absolutely fine for decades. Other parts of State are not as well regulated, but AZ is “gold standard” for consumer protection of water reliability. I’m not worried.
 

Although I do plan to install fake grass on at least my front yard as I have about 15k sq.ft. of turf irrigation at my home that consumes over 100,000 gallons each month in the summer and I expect my already 5 tier water rate bill in Scottsdale to increase substantially in future, even though City is saying they’re not going to do that… Price of water will likely go up. Scottdale uses like 85% surface water right now, so as CAP rates go up, bills will too. 
 

Another little know fact is that AZ has already “banked” a massive portion of the CO river water that has been delivered to AZ to date by putting it into massive settlement basins in Harquahala, Phoenix, Tucson and Pinal, recharging and increasing water in those aquifers (Harquahala basin is only aquifer in AZ that can be “legally” pumped and transferred to another basin and is up stream of PHX on CAP path and is in the middle of nowhere and has zero development potential; will be monster water resource to PHX in future, hasn’t pumped a gallon towards PHX yet but all in the works (deep pocketed investors lobbied to put this in the law when CAP was built and AZ was required by Fed to establish its “gold standard” laws in 80’s in exchange for Fed $ loan to build the CAP (investors purchased land along the CAP in Harquahala with their ground water rights and/or also then bought CAP water cheap when it was plentiful, “basin’n” it into aquifer and “banked” surface water in the aquifer for future pumping back into the CAP for down stream delivery to PHX, Pinal and Tucson…))). For those who don’t know, CAP is Central AZ Project which is hundreds of miles of a massive concrete lined canal and pumping stations and coal power plat (retired now) necessary to deliver AZ’s allotment of CO river water to PHX and Tucson. 

 
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I wonder how much of the groundwater problem is from all the concrete culverts we’ve installed…
In AZ it's more of a soil problem. With the high clayey soils it is much harder to reach the aquifers.

 
I can’t speak for NV but in AZ’s densely populated areas, Phoenix and Tucson included, we have the most regulated and dependable water resource assurance process in the Country, with all new housing developments (and since like 86’) of scale going through a rigorous compliance process that proves that there is at least a 100 year supply of water for all new homes (there are many large vacant parcels on the outskirts of town, particularly in Buckeye where land owners have been unable to prove this up). Phoenix sits upon a vast aquifer that is the basin to which a massive portion of AZ drains. The Salt, Verde and Gila river basins are not in drought and supply both the PHX aquifer in general and through dam and canal diversion to water treatment plants that serve our potable water needs. The Colorado River basin is in extreme drought. Some AZ agriculture, particularly the Pinal County Ag, which took lowest priority CAP water rights in exchange for reduced rates, will be cut off from the CAP (Colorado river water) and will then start once again draining that aquifer (not same aquifer as metro PHX). ADWR has already cut off new development from using ground water in the Pinal AMA for 100-year certificate purposes. 
CAL has much bigger problems. It relies on the Colorado river basin for much more of its water and only has 25-year certificate regs. Water right transfers from Imperial Valley Users Association (largest allocation of Colorado River water of any entity) to San Diego and elsewhere are at risk. Ag wells are going dry all across CA for a decade. CA has way over used its water, AZ has not (generally and in PHX for sure, but not for rural AZ where Ag is prevalent, many of those areas have over withdrawn acquirers but almost all of those areas do not get CO river water and are thus not really part of this “Crisis” discussion, those areas have just over used and may/are experiencing dry well conditions). Due mostly to Ag use. Phoenix in fact is using less water now overall than it did in 1980 (when it had 1/3 of current population) through retirement of ag land to housing which uses on average 1/3 of water that flood irrigation farming uses. Yes the main Phoenix WW treatment plant pumps much of its effluent to Palo Verde generating station, but that may end due to rate increases deemed unaffordable to Palo Verde (they are looking at alternatives) but even with that, that water treatment plant is just PHX (takes flows from portions of few other Cities) but there are 20 other treatment plants in the Phoenix metro area, all either pumping that water or settlement basin leaching that water back into the aquifer or using it to supplement potable water in landscape irrigation. Existing and and brand new communities in Phoenix or Pinal or Tucson or Prescott AMAs are absolutely fine for decades. Other parts of State are not as well regulated, but AZ is “gold standard” for consumer protection of water reliability. I’m not worried.
 

Although I do plan to install fake grass on at least my front yard as I have about 15k sq.ft. of turf irrigation at my home that consumes over 100,000 gallons each month in the summer and I expect my already 5 tier water rate bill in Scottsdale to increase substantially in future, even though City is saying they’re not going to do that… Price of water will likely go up. Scottdale uses like 85% surface water right now, so as CAP rates go up, bills will too. 
 

Another little know fact is that AZ has already “banked” a massive portion of the CO river water that has been delivered to AZ to date by putting it into massive settlement basins in Harquahala, Phoenix, Tucson and Pinal, recharging and increasing water in those aquifers (Harquahala basin is only aquifer in AZ that can be “legally” pumped and transferred to another basin and is up stream of PHX on CAP path and is in the middle of nowhere and has zero development potential; will be monster water resource to PHX in future, hasn’t pumped a gallon towards PHX yet but all in the works (deep pocketed investors lobbied to put this in the law when CAP was built and AZ was required by Fed to establish its “gold standard” laws in 80’s in exchange for Fed $ loan to build the CAP (investors purchased land along the CAP in Harquahala with their ground water rights and/or also then bought CAP water cheap when it was plentiful, “basin’n” it into aquifer and “banked” surface water in the aquifer for future pumping back into the CAP for down stream delivery to PHX, Pinal and Tucson…))). For those who don’t know, CAP is Central AZ Project which is hundreds of miles of a massive concrete lined canal and pumping stations and coal power plat (retired now) necessary to deliver AZ’s allotment of CO river water to PHX and Tucson. 
Great info here. Every two years I need to do renewal hours for my real estate license. 29 years now. Probably 15 years ago there was a water class that would satisfy 3 hours. Thought it would be fun and different. After listening to the expert do his class and give a lot of technical data, I can clearly remember being amazed at how much water we have.

 
Couple good reads on this, 

For example one fix would be to pipe line water, from areas like the Mississippi Flood zone areas, this would help relive the flooded areas and supply water to the west, 

not a new idea, this is done all over the Arab countries,  

But all the rednecks would rather all there lands to flood than see a pipeline, 

(so nevada should stop storing nuclear waist from states that do not want to share there water LOL) 

 
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