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Does anyone run one? I have a Weldon pump on my car now and it’s extremely loud. The pump is on the higher side of volume and I know it’s overkill for my setup even with the turbo.  The last Weldon I had lasted 20 years without a controller and was only replaced because I sucked at diagnosing a fuel issue. 
 

Does anyone run one and if so why?

 
a lot of the Grand National and Fox Body Rustang folks used to use them, in blown and turbo applications, to dial down the fuel pressure @ Idle.  Ive not seen one in years, but Im sure they are out there.  maybe @Fullthrottleguy might have a suggestion.  If were me, I would call Weldon & talk with them. 

shoot........... Weldon makes one. https://www.weldonracing.com/store/14000-Pump-Controller-p56212294

 
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@Fullthrottleguy just mentioned this to me in my engine swap post. I'm sure he has more info on this. 
well since you asked ...

All this related to 500HP and up -- But let me explain what I have learned on the bigger HP cars ... probably gonna be long - I apologize upfront ..

Lately I have been doing more and more e95  High HP cars. E85 uses ~ 1.5x the amount of fuel as race gas, but in turbo or SC engine the fuel consumption is of course far greater during boost as is the pressure (boost referenced pressure).  The problem most pumps have is that you start with a non boost 60PSI  base pressure and if you are running say an SC with 20Lbs of boost now your Fuel pressure in boost is 80Lbs  - Most Pumps are generally designed to deliver the highest volume at 43psi and tend to drop off fast over 60psi  and when you are making 1200-1400HP, you are using a lot of fuel. So to get around that generally you run a big pump with big volume.

Or maybe you are just that "bigger is better" kinda person ...  Unlimited wallet size ...

If you go that route, you are likely running -10 or -12 line  and a big pump like an Aeromotive Eliminator  which can feed a 2500HP engine, and without a motor controller you are pumping a ton of fuel all the time and using very little at idle and part throttle , and while those pumps cool by having fuel run around them (internally)  they will not usually overheat and shut down, but they heat the fuel which is generally bad, But what is worse is that you are returning a ton a fuel back to the tank  .... a few issues here.  Also using a fuel regulator  it's just suppose to  regulate the "pressure" not the volume - but if you push too much volume to a regulator that can't handle that much volume you will be pushing back on the pump causing the pump to work way harder against the back flow (its like hitting a wall for the pump) and the pump will draw more current and run hotter trying to meet the demand, and  hotter pumps heat fuel and have less life.

The big issues  not using a motor controller and a big pump are:

1. You are making lots of gas fumes- which by itself is fire hazard and it also wastes fuel and if you don't have a big enough vent you also put back-pressure on the regulator

**** Vents are also really important  if you have -10 feed you need -10 vent   etc. If  the vent is not bringing air to replace the fuel going out of the tank you will either cavitate the pump or just cut down the volume (collapse the line)  I have seen guys run the hill at G  and car pops and sputters and the guy goes home spends $2K on a new fuel system and its Worse  -  I pull the Tank cap off  and have them try again and the car is rocket - problem - vent too small....

2. You are heating the fuel pushing it through the lines

3. You are causing aireation of the fuel -  this is really bad  because you put bubbles in the fuel  - and enough bubbles and pump cavitates and ruin the pump and or lean out the engine - even though your pump could power a fire truck ...

4. You are banging really hard on the regulator - its either going to fail or your fuel pressure is going surge up and down and that is worse than having low fuel pressure - 

5. You alternator is working really hard to keep up with the fuel pump current draw  (and all your Baller LEDs and 10,000 watt stereo) that 30AMP fuel pump relay is likely to burn up too - time to go 70amp 

The motor controller does a fuel things - One thing it does NOT do is turn down the pressure - it just turns down volume - but what it does ...

1. It adds life to pump and the regulator  - they are not working as hard

2. It guarantees you are not getting any of the three things mentioned above

3. It guarantees fuel is there on demand when you need because its PWM (Pulse width modulated) so the pump does not strain coming back up to speed 

4. It guarantees the Fuel Pressure is always the same - since it just varies the Volume ...

5. Puts less strain on your electrical system

an added bonus is the pump is way quieter until you romp on the engine

The Aeromotive controllers are dead reliable from my experience, and have not done alot of others, but you Must match the pump and controller brand since its PWM and depends on a number of factors that are specific to the pump 

One exception is used the opposite way and thats the Keene Bell BAP (boost a pump) that actually increases the PWM and Voltage to a pump to make it pump more - thjey are pretty universal and work great  - but cost more than a new pump in most cases....  so its really only good for factory cars you don't want to tear up.

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You also need to size the Fuel filters to the pump  - they can either restrict fuel flow or you can with a big enough push actually blow the filter element apart in the filter  - I have seen that on  100LPH filters on a 1000LPH pump (Eliminator)

Before motor controllers got really good and if someone is on a budget, I would use 2 pumps in parallel with check valves on each pump, and run one pump until we got into boost and then either turn the second on with Hobbs switch or programmatically through the ECU (MAP Input)

That works really well except check valves always restrict flow  - so its not as efficient, but it usually way more affordable and way more flexible than a big pump

On my personal SC car I run two AEM 400LPH's  that way using the Holley to trigger the second under boost.  What is also nice is that if your primary pump fails, you move the wires over and just  "try" to stay out of heavy boost, but you aren't  stuck.. Hardly antyone is carrying around and $800 Eliminator pump spare ...

BTW thew AEM is the only pump I found other the Aeromotive's that actually have a good output curve in higher PSI  so for SC and Turbo cars they work great

On a 500HP engine it's pretty common to run a 200LPH  - 340LPH pump like a Weldon or Bosch 044 and those pumps like the AEM don't have the volume or raw pressure  to need to a motor controller as long as your bypass regulator can handle the flow (so don't use a Chinese A1000 knock off regulator)

The charts I have seen from RC and others  for the 340-400 category  by output curve vs pressure   -  rank the AEM at the top, the Aeromotive 340 second, the weldon A-600 tied with the Aeromotive , the Bosch 044 next (real not counterfeit) and far behind the Aeromotive Tsunami. 

They are all pretty equal in reliability as long as you feed them enough current so they stay cool and don't run them dry. 

Having a equally as well flowing regulator is really important.  when I run into someone Not running and Aeromotive, Fuel Lab, magnafuel  or Weldon regulator I test them down to 40lbs to see if they can maintain there with one of the good pumps   and I run the return through a clear hose back to the tank - if I see bubbles or pulsing in the stream   - I will not guarantee the tune I out in the car  - I know its gonna lean out and burn down the engine  - regulators and pumos are important. 

IMO anything that runs over ~ 850HP at the crank either needs dual pumps in parallel or a BIg A$$ pump and motor controller - Back before site meltdown I posted a couple build HP Fuel systems I did  - I need to find those pics again 

But for me if run an Aeromotive Eliminator, Weldon 1100 or bigger, or  bada$$ Magnafuel Prostar or the Aeromotibe gear pumps (copies of the prostar basically..)  you will do yourself a favor if you run a motor controller.  Most of the brushless pumps require a motor controller, and its hard to justify the spend although they draw way less current and should last forever...FWIW 

 
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well since you asked ...

All this related to 500HP and up -- But let me explain what I have learned on the bigger HP cars ... probably gonna be long - I apologize upfront ..

Lately I have been doing more and more e95  High HP cars. E85 uses ~ 1.5x the amount of fuel as race gas, but in turbo or SC engine the fuel consumption is of course far greater during boost as is the pressure (boost referenced pressure).  The problem most pumps have is that you start with a non boost 60PSI  base pressure and if you are running say an SC with 20Lbs of boost now your Fuel pressure in boost is 80Lbs  - Most Pumps are generally designed to deliver the highest volume at 43psi and tend to drop off fast over 60psi  and when you are making 1200-1400HP, you are using a lot of fuel. So to get around that generally you run a big pump with big volume.

Or maybe you are just that "bigger is better" kinda person ...  Unlimited wallet size ...

If you go that route, you are likely running -10 or -12 line  and a big pump like an Aeromotive Eliminator  which can feed a 2500HP engine, and without a motor controller you are pumping a ton of fuel all the time and using very little at idle and part throttle , and while those pumps cool by having fuel run around them (internally)  they will not usually overheat and shut down, but they heat the fuel which is generally bad, But what is worse is that you are returning a ton a fuel back to the tank  .... a few issues here.  Also using a fuel regulator  it's just suppose to  regulate the "pressure" not the volume - but if you push too much volume to a regulator that can't handle that much volume you will be pushing back on the pump causing the pump to work way harder against the back flow (its like hitting a wall for the pump) and the pump will draw more current and run hotter trying to meet the demand, and  hotter pumps heat fuel and have less life.

The big issues  not using a motor controller and a big pump are:

1. You are making lots of gas fumes- which by itself is fire hazard and it also wastes fuel and if you don't have a big enough vent you also put back-pressure on the regulator

**** Vents are also really important  if you have -10 feed you need -10 vent   etc. If  the vent is not bringing air to replace the fuel going out of the tank you will either cavitate the pump or just cut down the volume (collapse the line)  I have seen guys run the hill at G  and car pops and sputters and the guy goes home spends $2K on a new fuel system and its Worse  -  I pull the Tank cap off  and have them try again and the car is rocket - problem - vent too small....

2. You are heating the fuel pushing it through the lines

3. You are causing aireation of the fuel -  this is really bad  because you put bubbles in the fuel  - and enough bubbles and pump cavitates and ruin the pump and or lean out the engine - even though your pump could power a fire truck ...

4. You are banging really hard on the regulator - its either going to fail or your fuel pressure is going surge up and down and that is worse than having low fuel pressure - 

5. You alternator is working really hard to keep up with the fuel pump current draw  (and all your Baller LEDs and 10,000 watt stereo) that 30AMP fuel pump relay is likely to burn up too - time to go 70amp 

The motor controller does a fuel things - One thing it does NOT do is turn down the pressure - it just turns down volume - but what it does ...

1. It adds life to pump and the regulator  - they are not working as hard

2. It guarantees you are not getting any of the three things mentioned above

3. It guarantees fuel is there on demand when you need because its PWM (Pulse width modulated) so the pump does not strain coming back up to speed 

4. It guarantees the Fuel Pressure is always the same - since it just varies the Volume ...

5. Puts less strain on your electrical system

an added bonus is the pump is way quieter until you romp on the engine

The Aeromotive controllers are dead reliable from my experience, and have not done alot of others, but you Must match the pump and controller brand since its PWM and depends on a number of factors that are specific to the pump 

One exception is used the opposite way and thats the Keene Bell BAP (boost a pump) that actually increases the PWM and Voltage to a pump to make it pump more - thjey are pretty universal and work great  - but cost more than a new pump in most cases....  so its really only good for factory cars you don't want to tear up.

---

You also need to size the Fuel filters to the pump  - they can either restrict fuel flow or you can with a big enough push actually blow the filter element apart in the filter  - I have seen that on  100LPH filters on a 1000LPH pump (Eliminator)

Before motor controllers got really good and if someone is on a budget, I would use 2 pumps in parallel with check valves on each pump, and run one pump until we got into boost and then either turn the second on with Hobbs switch or programmatically through the ECU (MAP Input)

That works really well except check valves always restrict flow  - so its not as efficient, but it usually way more affordable and way more flexible than a big pump

On my personal SC car I run two AEM 400LPH's  that way using the Holley to trigger the second under boost.  What is also nice is that if your primary pump fails, you move the wires over and just  "try" to stay out of heavy boost, but you aren't  stuck.. Hardly antyone is carrying around and $800 Eliminator pump spare ...

BTW thew AEM is the only pump I found other the Aeromotive's that actually have a good output curve in higher PSI  so for SC and Turbo cars they work great

On a 500HP engine it's pretty common to run a 200LPH  - 340LPH pump like a Weldon or Bosch 044 and those pumps like the AEM don't have the volume or raw pressure  to need to a motor controller as long as your bypass regulator can handle the flow (so don't use a Chinese A1000 knock off regulator)

The charts I have seen from RC and others  for the 340-400 category  by output curve vs pressure   -  rank the AEM at the top, the Aeromotive 340 second, the weldon A-600 tied with the Aeromotive , the Bosch 044 next (real not counterfeit) and far behind the Aeromotive Tsunami. 

They are all pretty equal in reliability as long as you feed them enough current so they stay cool and don't run them dry. 

Having a equally as well flowing regulator is really important.  when I run into someone Not running and Aeromotive, Fuel Lab, magnafuel  or Weldon regulator I test them down to 40lbs to see if they can maintain there with one of the good pumps   and I run the return through a clear hose back to the tank - if I see bubbles or pulsing in the stream   - I will not guarantee the tune I out in the car  - I know its gonna lean out and burn down the engine  - regulators and pumos are important. 

IMO anything that runs over ~ 850HP at the crank either needs dual pumps in parallel or a BIg A$$ pump and motor controller - Back before site meltdown I posted a couple build HP Fuel systems I did  - I need to find those pics again 

But for me if run an Aeromotive Eliminator, Weldon 1100 or bigger, or  bada$$ Magnafuel Prostar or the Aeromotibe gear pumps (copies of the prostar basically..)  you will do yourself a favor if you run a motor controller.  Most of the brushless pumps require a motor controller, and its hard to justify the spend although they draw way less current and should last forever...FWIW 
Thank you for all the great info!. I am running a Weldon DB2015-A Pump and will probably throw a controller in when the car is being rewired to ensure a longer life on the pump, plus it should severely cut down on the pump noise.

 
well since you asked ...

All this related to 500HP and up -- But let me explain what I have learned on the bigger HP cars ... probably gonna be long - I apologize upfront ..

Lately I have been doing more and more e95  High HP cars. E85 uses ~ 1.5x the amount of fuel as race gas, but in turbo or SC engine the fuel consumption is of course far greater during boost as is the pressure (boost referenced pressure).  The problem most pumps have is that you start with a non boost 60PSI  base pressure and if you are running say an SC with 20Lbs of boost now your Fuel pressure in boost is 80Lbs  - Most Pumps are generally designed to deliver the highest volume at 43psi and tend to drop off fast over 60psi  and when you are making 1200-1400HP, you are using a lot of fuel. So to get around that generally you run a big pump with big volume.

Or maybe you are just that "bigger is better" kinda person ...  Unlimited wallet size ...

If you go that route, you are likely running -10 or -12 line  and a big pump like an Aeromotive Eliminator  which can feed a 2500HP engine, and without a motor controller you are pumping a ton of fuel all the time and using very little at idle and part throttle , and while those pumps cool by having fuel run around them (internally)  they will not usually overheat and shut down, but they heat the fuel which is generally bad, But what is worse is that you are returning a ton a fuel back to the tank  .... a few issues here.  Also using a fuel regulator  it's just suppose to  regulate the "pressure" not the volume - but if you push too much volume to a regulator that can't handle that much volume you will be pushing back on the pump causing the pump to work way harder against the back flow (its like hitting a wall for the pump) and the pump will draw more current and run hotter trying to meet the demand, and  hotter pumps heat fuel and have less life.

The big issues  not using a motor controller and a big pump are:

1. You are making lots of gas fumes- which by itself is fire hazard and it also wastes fuel and if you don't have a big enough vent you also put back-pressure on the regulator

**** Vents are also really important  if you have -10 feed you need -10 vent   etc. If  the vent is not bringing air to replace the fuel going out of the tank you will either cavitate the pump or just cut down the volume (collapse the line)  I have seen guys run the hill at G  and car pops and sputters and the guy goes home spends $2K on a new fuel system and its Worse  -  I pull the Tank cap off  and have them try again and the car is rocket - problem - vent too small....

2. You are heating the fuel pushing it through the lines

3. You are causing aireation of the fuel -  this is really bad  because you put bubbles in the fuel  - and enough bubbles and pump cavitates and ruin the pump and or lean out the engine - even though your pump could power a fire truck ...

4. You are banging really hard on the regulator - its either going to fail or your fuel pressure is going surge up and down and that is worse than having low fuel pressure - 

5. You alternator is working really hard to keep up with the fuel pump current draw  (and all your Baller LEDs and 10,000 watt stereo) that 30AMP fuel pump relay is likely to burn up too - time to go 70amp 

The motor controller does a fuel things - One thing it does NOT do is turn down the pressure - it just turns down volume - but what it does ...

1. It adds life to pump and the regulator  - they are not working as hard

2. It guarantees you are not getting any of the three things mentioned above

3. It guarantees fuel is there on demand when you need because its PWM (Pulse width modulated) so the pump does not strain coming back up to speed 

4. It guarantees the Fuel Pressure is always the same - since it just varies the Volume ...

5. Puts less strain on your electrical system

an added bonus is the pump is way quieter until you romp on the engine

The Aeromotive controllers are dead reliable from my experience, and have not done alot of others, but you Must match the pump and controller brand since its PWM and depends on a number of factors that are specific to the pump 

One exception is used the opposite way and thats the Keene Bell BAP (boost a pump) that actually increases the PWM and Voltage to a pump to make it pump more - thjey are pretty universal and work great  - but cost more than a new pump in most cases....  so its really only good for factory cars you don't want to tear up.

---

You also need to size the Fuel filters to the pump  - they can either restrict fuel flow or you can with a big enough push actually blow the filter element apart in the filter  - I have seen that on  100LPH filters on a 1000LPH pump (Eliminator)

Before motor controllers got really good and if someone is on a budget, I would use 2 pumps in parallel with check valves on each pump, and run one pump until we got into boost and then either turn the second on with Hobbs switch or programmatically through the ECU (MAP Input)

That works really well except check valves always restrict flow  - so its not as efficient, but it usually way more affordable and way more flexible than a big pump

On my personal SC car I run two AEM 400LPH's  that way using the Holley to trigger the second under boost.  What is also nice is that if your primary pump fails, you move the wires over and just  "try" to stay out of heavy boost, but you aren't  stuck.. Hardly antyone is carrying around and $800 Eliminator pump spare ...

BTW thew AEM is the only pump I found other the Aeromotive's that actually have a good output curve in higher PSI  so for SC and Turbo cars they work great

On a 500HP engine it's pretty common to run a 200LPH  - 340LPH pump like a Weldon or Bosch 044 and those pumps like the AEM don't have the volume or raw pressure  to need to a motor controller as long as your bypass regulator can handle the flow (so don't use a Chinese A1000 knock off regulator)

The charts I have seen from RC and others  for the 340-400 category  by output curve vs pressure   -  rank the AEM at the top, the Aeromotive 340 second, the weldon A-600 tied with the Aeromotive , the Bosch 044 next (real not counterfeit) and far behind the Aeromotive Tsunami. 

They are all pretty equal in reliability as long as you feed them enough current so they stay cool and don't run them dry. 

Having a equally as well flowing regulator is really important.  when I run into someone Not running and Aeromotive, Fuel Lab, magnafuel  or Weldon regulator I test them down to 40lbs to see if they can maintain there with one of the good pumps   and I run the return through a clear hose back to the tank - if I see bubbles or pulsing in the stream   - I will not guarantee the tune I out in the car  - I know its gonna lean out and burn down the engine  - regulators and pumos are important. 

IMO anything that runs over ~ 850HP at the crank either needs dual pumps in parallel or a BIg A$$ pump and motor controller - Back before site meltdown I posted a couple build HP Fuel systems I did  - I need to find those pics again 

But for me if run an Aeromotive Eliminator, Weldon 1100 or bigger, or  bada$$ Magnafuel Prostar or the Aeromotibe gear pumps (copies of the prostar basically..)  you will do yourself a favor if you run a motor controller.  Most of the brushless pumps require a motor controller, and its hard to justify the spend although they draw way less current and should last forever...FWIW 
That’s a lot of good info. But I’m not sure I agree on tank vent size. What I do know is that when I pop the vent on my 5 gallon fuel jugs it only takes 3/16 hole to allow fuel to flow like crazy out of a 3/4” hose. Yes I stayed at a holiday inn last night. 
 

so are the controllers closed loop with a pressure sensor? Or programmed via a duty cycle in the map. 
 

have you ever used a fuel lab pump that uses pwm input?

 
That’s a lot of good info. But I’m not sure I agree on tank vent size. What I do know is that when I pop the vent on my 5 gallon fuel jugs it only takes 3/16 hole to allow fuel to flow like crazy out of a 3/4” hose. Yes I stayed at a holiday inn last night. 
 

so are the controllers closed loop with a pressure sensor? Or programmed via a duty cycle in the map. 
 

have you ever used a fuel lab pump that uses pwm input?
John... the best explanation I have heard for why you should have the same size vent as fuel outlet is that the vent has two purposes - 1. it allows for the tank to breathe when the sun or heat hits the fuel tank and the fuel heats and expands  (gasses off), this also happens when the fuel is sloshed around (with the way you dune that Must be massive!).  Also when the tank is full and you are returning fuel to the tank you need to displace the air in the tank with fuel  to avoid pressure against the regulator, so it has to vent out .... At the same time when you are sucking fuel out of the tank under pressure  - think of a 60PSI  pump it has some serious suction - the fuel you take out needs to be replaced by air coming in  - the bigger the vent to a point, the faster the air comes back in.   Since most of us run the "baja style" vent (LRS taught me this one)  where the vent hose goes up and around the cage and down and making it nearly impossible to spill on a roll over - thats a lot of distance  - a small vent is like sucking through a straw  I am sure there is a formula for this, I am not smartest enough to know it, so I take the recommendation of equal size in and out.

Regarding Controller operation - "it depends"  the Aeromotive's and most others have a default input which is RPM .. this way you can run them on any ECU or none.. But this input can also run to an ECU  (I am most familiar with how I do it on the Holley) I map the output to the ECU to the inout and use MAP (boost) to regulate the pump Volume - the pressure is always the same - the controller is essentially open loop  - Except the case of the brushless which is more like a servo motor and is a closed loop control circuit _ so its way more efficient on current usage. 

You can also just put a hobbs switch in and with a resistor in line just turn the pump on full once you hit boost.

I have not personally used the a fuel lab pump this way.

 
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that scenario you are only using atmoshperic pressure of 14.7lbs. take a look at the hunsaker and fuel safe dump cans.. their vents are 1 3/8 to 1 3/4..  bump that pressure output to 60psi with same volume and you will see the effect to small a vent is now  a restriction.
Great way to explain it ...thanks

 
that scenario you are only using atmoshperic pressure of 14.7lbs. take a look at the hunsaker and fuel safe dump cans.. their vents are 1 3/8 to 1 3/4..  bump that pressure output to 60psi with same volume and you will see the effect to small a vent is now  a restriction.


your example above is only about transfering fuel from one tank to another quickly, the vent is sized to the "fuel used" over time  in this case the time needs to be short so the pour spout and vents are large.  now how much fuel do you think you use or need?  who needs 15 gallons of fuel in 20 seconds?

dump cans transferring fuel to a fuel tank is not even close to the same as a fuel system. and clearly has a huge vent to transfer fuel quickly.  but what we are talking about is a closed loop fuel system, if a V8 had 100 lb/hr injectors then the most they could flow is 800 lb per hour (8 x 100) at 100% duty at 43.5psi  that is 13lb per minuet or thats about 2 gallons a minuet of fuel consumed.  simple!!    and if you have 200lb injectors then 4 gallons a min.  and i have not poured out a 5 gallon jug of fuel but pretty sure it would empty the 5 gallons in under 30 seconds with the itty bitty vent it has.  That would be 10 gallons in a minuet, well over two times the amount of a car running 200lb injectors at 100% duty.    this is the worst case scenario so how can you think you would need bigger than 1/4" hose for most applications and no way would you need more than 1/2" hose which could flow probably 3 times the air as the 1/4" hose.   this is air we are talking about to replace the fuel being consumed.  

 
i am planning on running the Fuel lab pump which doesnt need a controller and can use a direct PWM output from ecu, if im thinking correctly it could be ran in closed loop control off of fuel pressure sensor and would allow for a mapped output to keep excessive fuel return and fuel temps down

 
Fuel Lab has a regulator designed to control their pump. I have been wanting to get one. Seems like a good Idea

 
i am planning on running the Fuel lab pump which doesnt need a controller and can use a direct PWM output from ecu, if im thinking correctly it could be ran in closed loop control off of fuel pressure sensor and would allow for a mapped output to keep excessive fuel return and fuel temps down


Fuel Lab has a regulator designed to control their pump. I have been wanting to get one. Seems like a good Idea
I am not up on the fuel lab stuff of late - I really liked it when it came out and have done ECUs on cars with them (they are quieter than Aeromotive for sure) and used their regulators (which are really nice), and I know they make a PWM based pump controller for their brushless pumps and pumps with PWM input which is cool, but they are not cheap ... I like they are made in the USA !!!

 
that scenario you are only using atmoshperic pressure of 14.7lbs. take a look at the hunsaker and fuel safe dump cans.. their vents are 1 3/8 to 1 3/4..  bump that pressure output to 60psi with same volume and you will see the effect to small a vent is now  a restriction.
In your example you are trying to move 10? gallons of fuel from one vessel to another as fast as possible.  That's not what is happening in your fuel tank.

To go along with John's scenario,  You don't need a huge vent.  You are not displacing 250gph (or whatever number your pump is) from the tank.  The majority of the time you are putting nearly all of the fuel pumped out of the tank right back to the tank.  Hence some of the earlier discussion on not buying too much pump. You aren't displacing volume.  So, you really should have a return line almost the size of you feed line...  You only need to be able to replace the fuel consumed. What volume of fuel does a 500hp engine use at 100% load? Nobody drives at 100% 100% the time.  Way less.  Even dudes blasting through the dunes are maybe at WFO for what, 5 seconds at a time.?

Thermal expansion, although it is a thing, can be mitigated with a pin size hole.  It doesn't happen quickly.

 
In your example you are trying to move 10? gallons of fuel from one vessel to another as fast as possible.  That's not what is happening in your fuel tank.

To go along with John's scenario,  You don't need a huge vent.  You are not displacing 250gph (or whatever number your pump is) from the tank.  The majority of the time you are putting nearly all of the fuel pumped out of the tank right back to the tank.  Hence some of the earlier discussion on not buying too much pump. You aren't displacing volume.  So, you really should have a return line almost the size of you feed line...  You only need to be able to replace the fuel consumed. What volume of fuel does a 500hp engine use at 100% load? Nobody drives at 100% 100% the time.  Way less.  Even dudes blasting through the dunes are maybe at WFO for what, 5 seconds at a time.?

Thermal expansion, although it is a thing, can be mitigated with a pin size hole.  It doesn't happen quickly.


I buy Throttle bodies and Valve cover vents from these guys - I found a nice blog covering this subject, basic the same as I understand why you need a large vent

Take it for what it is worth but these guys are good racers and seem to have their "stuff" together

 -here is the URL

https://www.motionraceworks.com/blogs/motionblog/10-reasons-your-fuel-system-sucks-common-failure-points-in-boosted-and-efi-fuel-systems

and here  the text of their  "opinion" on the subject   if you don't want to read the whole blog

  1. Fuel Vent Size is too small and sucks: Just like crank case pressure, with big fuel pumps pumping massive amounts of fuel into a container like a fuel tank, that movement creates pressure, when the pressure builds up it pushes back on the return side of the fuel system thereby laboring everything in front of it including the pump itself and can damage the motor internally. Additionally, with higher pressure comes higher temperature.  This will fail a fuel pump and cause massive amounts of issues on any long trip including boiling fuel. Keep in mind a lot of these EFI converted fuel tanks were made originally for a non return style fuel system where the mechanical pump on the block was pulling the fuel it needed, completely different. When you put one or more high flow electric pumps and leave the small factory vent you are asking for trouble. Even two 340 pumps in tandem can potentially cause issues as you have a pump that is flowing likely 3-4 times what the original vent was intended for. You literally cannot have too large of a fuel vent, just keep in mind debris getting back into the tank and fuel exposure to air in terms of smell, safety, and taking on moisture if the vehicle is sitting!


 
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