Flash flood

Who thinks to check the weather forecast before going for a hike you had done lots of times before....  those flash floods are no joke. 

 
Wow that is scary stuff. The dad did a good job keeping his family safe and under control, while documenting the event. Thanks for posting that.

 
It may be a good thing he got stuck. He may have been caught in faster water just up the road. 

Who knows but I agree he should have had a shovel.

 
matt86m said:
It may be a good thing he got stuck. He may have been caught in faster water just up the road. 

Who knows but I agree he should have had a shovel.
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I agree. They were trying to get out of there and could have been much worse if they got up in the narrow part of the canyon.

 
Noob.  Should’ve wrapped that strap in between the wheel gaps and onto a log like them Saudis.  EZY-PZY.

 
TheLatinLover said:
Noob.  Should’ve wrapped that strap in between the wheel gaps and onto a log like them Saudis.  EZY-PZY.
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Watched this last night. Incredible that no one was killed, especially the people in the trapped cars. 

 
The guy in the car floating away (9:00 mark) got super lucky that car didn't get stuck under the rock with his window down.  They would have 100% drowned.

 
Rockwood said:
Unless the other tire isn’t loaded as well, then you’d need a locker. 
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Not true... apply brakes, might have to apply a little throttle as well to overcome the brakes, now both tires are loaded. 

 
carboy said:
Not true... apply brakes, might have to apply a little throttle as well to overcome the brakes, now both tires are loaded. 
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Depends. Poor man’s locker still annihilates the less loaded tire unless there’s some sort of limited slip in there. Otherwise, my high school buddies doing siiiiiiiiiick standing burnouts in their pickups would’ve had more than a one wheel peel. :biggrin:

 
Rockwood said:
Depends. Poor man’s locker still annihilates the less loaded tire unless there’s some sort of limited slip in there. Otherwise, my high school buddies doing siiiiiiiiiick standing burnouts in their pickups would’ve had more than a one wheel peel. :biggrin:
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LOL... the old one wheel wonder burnout or "powerbrake" burnout as some of us kids use to call them! To clarify, you are absolutely correct with regards to the unloaded tire just spinning... I was referring to the strap trick, specifically that having an open diff isn't necessarily a death sentence, but is something that you might be able to overcome. Heck, if you couldn't apply enough brake pressure to slow or stop the free-spinning wheel, disconnect the emergency brake cable from the stationary wheel and set the parking brake, vice-grip the cable or strap the spinning wheel up... force the diff to send torque to the other wheel.  Admittedly, unless you're somewhat mechanical and/or an avid, experienced wheeler, mom and pop out for a family adventure aren't likely to have the wherewithal to do any of this.  As kids, most of us couldn't afford a limited slip/posi much less real lockers, so we had to find workarounds, sometimes they'd work, sometimes not.  Today, hit the locker switch on the dash... problem solved, life is good. 

Ref your one wheel peel, I'm guessing we- I mean your buddies were successful because the front brakes are so much more effective than the rear, producing significantly more holding power, so there was never enough resistance on the rear to prevent that RR from going up in smoke... oversimplifying I'm sure. Here's the wealthy man's version of the open diff old brake trick... 



 
26 minutes ago, carboy said:

LOL... the old one wheel wonder burnout or "powerbrake" burnout as some of us kids use to call them! To clarify, you are absolutely correct with regards to the unloaded tire just spinning... I was referring to the strap trick, specifically that having an open diff isn't necessarily a death sentence, but is something that you might be able to overcome. Heck, if you couldn't apply enough brake pressure to slow or stop the free-spinning wheel, disconnect the emergency brake cable from the stationary wheel and set the parking brake, vice-grip the cable or strap the spinning wheel up... force the diff to send torque to the other wheel.  Admittedly, unless you're somewhat mechanical and/or an avid, experienced wheeler, mom and pop out for a family adventure aren't likely to have the wherewithal to do any of this.  As kids, most of us couldn't afford a limited slip/posi much less real lockers, so we had to find workarounds, sometimes they'd work, sometimes not.  Today, hit the locker switch on the dash... problem solved, life is good. 

Ref your one wheel peel, I'm guessing we- I mean your buddies were successful because the front brakes are so much more effective than the rear, producing significantly more holding power, so there was never enough resistance on the rear to prevent that RR from going up in smoke... oversimplifying I'm sure. Here's the wealthy man's version of the open diff old brake trick... 

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Since brakes apply equal pressure (except the car in the video above using the ABS pump to individually engage brakes at a wheel to force power to the opposite wheel) and an open diff will always send more power to the unloaded wheel by design, it'll likely end in tears unless you're really careful or start yanking e-brake cables like you said. Without electronics or mechanical disabling, the one wheel peel will apply here since the strap will load the tire, and the other tire is (presumably) free to spin and will get 100% of the torque.  Even then, if you can get the strap reliably around the tire, why not just stack rocks or your floormats under it instead? What happens when the strap gets tight and the shortest line between your wheel and the anchor point involves your plastic bumper?  What if the strap slips off and wraps itself around your brake lines and other chit?

Waaaay better off just using the ratchet strap and some rocks to very slowly hand winch yourself out.  

 
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Rockwood said:
Since brakes apply equal pressure (except the car in the video above using the ABS pump to individually engage brakes at a wheel to force power to the opposite wheel) and an open diff will always send more power to the unloaded wheel by design, it'll likely end in tears unless you're really careful or start yanking e-brake cables like you said. Without electronics or mechanical disabling, the one wheel peel will apply here since the strap will load the tire, and the other tire is (presumably) free to spin and will get 100% of the torque.  Even then, if you can get the strap reliably around the tire, why not just stack rocks or your floormats under it instead? What happens when the strap gets tight and the shortest line between your wheel and the anchor point involves your plastic bumper?  What if the strap slips off and wraps itself around your brake lines and other chit?

Waaaay better off just using the ratchet strap and some rocks to very slowly hand winch yourself out.  
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Oh absolutely, couldn't agree with you more.  Resorting to the strap around the tire thing would be one of those last ditch efforts, when all else fails/have nothing to lose kinda deals.  Assuming the strap-round-the-tire thing is a derivative of this... which, if you were hard core, wouldn't be a bad tool to have in your bag of tricks, as a backup to your electric/pto winch and lockers.

 https://www.offgridweb.com/transportation/bush-winch-a-simple-vehicle-recovery-tool/

 
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