You are losing ground. What will you do about it?

Icky said:
Looks like they plan on camping there if you read the exemptions.
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They have been doing that for a few years now. They have a big gathering area up on top of Osborne. This new rule just makes it easier to ask the people who are up there already to move it or lose it.

The ASA always tries to do the right thing, but they are a political org and while they try to do the right thing sometimes, they have to negotiate and what they end up with is not what they actually wanted but it's what they can get. They also have to claim whatever negotiated peace with the BLM they get a win.
 
MWB said:
They have been doing that for a few years now. They have a big gathering area up on top of Osborne. This new rule just makes it easier to ask the people who are up there already to move it or lose it.

The ASA always tries to do the right thing, but they are a political org and while they try to do the right thing sometimes, they have to negotiate and what they end up with is not what they actually wanted but it's what they can get. They also have to claim whatever negotiated peace with the BLM they get a win.
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I don't see any indication that the vendor rows were negotiated and there appears to be no trade off or give and take, just 348 million people losing access to their land in the name of safety and enforcement.

Again, not saying it's a bad idea... I just prefer the "not an inch" approach when it comes to our land and access. I think there should be open and transparent dialogue with the 348 million US citizens that own the land before advocating on our behalf to close it off.
 
HozayKwarvo said:
I don't see any indication that the vendor rows were negotiated and there appears to be no trade off or give and take, just 348 million people losing access to their land in the name of safety and enforcement.

Again, not saying it's a bad idea... I just prefer the "not an inch" approach when it comes to our land and access. I think there should be open and transparent dialogue with the 348 million US citizens that own the land before advocating on our behalf to close it off.
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100% right here.
 
HozayKwarvo said:
I don't see any indication that the vendor rows were negotiated and there appears to be no trade off or give and take, just 348 million people losing access to their land in the name of safety and enforcement.

Again, not saying it's a bad idea... I just prefer the "not an inch" approach when it comes to our land and access. I think there should be open and transparent dialogue with the 348 million US citizens that own the land before advocating on our behalf to close it off.
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Opening up Wash 34 (or 33, whatever the cutoff is) for Camping would be an easy and positive trade off. However, it makes too much sense so probably off the table for the ASA.
 
Toy Collector said:
Opening up Wash 34 (or 33, whatever the cutoff is) for Camping would be an easy and positive trade off. However, it makes too much sense so probably off the table for the ASA.
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As well as getting legitimate access to our land on the other side of the tracks with trails that reach the Colorado river. Our lands there are more than the sand and has been cutoff with the road grading and berm piles... if we don't camp there it's easier to manage.
 
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HozayKwarvo said:
As well as getting legitimate access to our land on the other side of the tracks with trails that reach the Colorado river. Our lands there are more than the sand and has been cutoff with the road grading and berm piles... if we don't camp there it's easier to manage.
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Could you imagine the riding and even better camping acreage that would expand tremendously if the area west of the tracks and Ted Kipf road were usable.

They build wildlife over/under passes for critters all over the damn state for their safety/migration/movement and those little fuckers don't even pay taxes!
 
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